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Post by burlingtonboaby Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:52 am

its not surprising the infection rate is ramping up throughout the Country, Sewerby hall had a Hallowe'en event on yesterday ( probably all week), the car park was full with dozens of cars parked outside along grass verges.
We had our face masks on  throughout our dog walk around the woods and garden grounds, serval hundred young families decented on the event, only two with face masks worn by two young men, the excitable young kids were running amok, no social distancing whatever as everyone headed for the entrances , didn't see any warning signs, marshals at the event.
We are still in an low tier area and it will be interesting to see if our numbers will climb soon.  shrugg
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Post by bikeralw Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:32 am

Around here, still in the lowest tier, but almost surrounded by higher ones, restrictions are largely ignored. Apart from face masks in shops, things are carrying on as normal.
Talking to family and friends, the feeling seems to be that if after contracting and recovering from CV19, immunity lasts only a few months, and the same is forecast for any future vaccine, what's the point of lockdowns and putting life on perpetual hold? 
Herd immunity will never be achieved.
Yes, it'll be at the cost of the old and weak, but hasn't evolution been doing this for millions of years? Survival of the fittest.
Environmental experts have said for years that the earth can't support the present population. Maybe this pandemic is the solution.
Not really my views, but those of a growing minority.
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Post by groundhog Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:35 pm

Strikes me that many people are getting complacent through lockdown fatigue and just implementing the rules when they absolutely have to. We have been very lucky down here and most people have behaved impeccably but over half term an influx of visitors has caused the single local hospital it to go in to the highest state of alert with reports of ambulances unable to offload and patients being attended to on board. There are only a handful of patients who actually have covid but all the extra precautions plus an unfortunate though not major fire has meant the hospital just cannot cope, a spokesperson has said people are blocking A&E with things they should have just rung their local GP wherever they live to get sorted.

I was in a shop today and there was a family, clearly on holiday, who had no masks and not social distancing in any way. Locals are castigated for moaning about our visitors but when they act so irresponsibly who can be surprised. What does surprise me is that if you live in a high covid area you can still travel anywhere you want in the Country with only "advice" not to. Makes no sense to me.

When we come out of this so much will change and I suspect some things for the better, until then let's all protect as many lives as possible in the meantime. 

I also ask the question whether many are just jumping on the bandwagon of needing help for stress or hardship. Of course many cases are genuine but I was watching the local news last night and see a fund has been started by Plymouth Argyle to help those under stress because that cannot see their mates at the footie on a Saturday. Come on!!

Good job lunch is ready or I would be ranting on here for a while yet.... tap_fingers
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Post by FreelanderUK Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:47 pm

I don’t think lock downs will work,  lock down the virus cases drop in the interim,the economy gets worse, lift lock down the virus cases go up but the economy doesn’t recover, COVID is her for good and we have to learn to  live with it like all the other nasty stuff going around, we are warring masks and try to keep our distances ( Wife has MS),  even when  a vaccine is available we will still have COVID , just my thoughts

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Post by Bilbobaggins Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:53 pm

Nicola has announced which council areas are in each of the five tiers (0-4) we will in from Monday. Despite my area of Angus scoring level 1 on each of the five indicators we have been placed in tier 2, very much a political and not scientific decision based largely is us adjoining Dundee which is in tier 3 with infection rates 4 to 5 times those in our area.

Similarly North and South Lanark are scoring level 4 on all indicators but have been left in tier 3

So much for being guided by the science.

I will still do my shopping locally before 8.30 am using friendly high street independent baker, butcher etc with dash to supermarket for lines not available on High Street, then back home to glorious isolation.

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Post by Peter Brown Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:55 pm

groundhog wrote:single local hospital it to go in to the highest state of alert with reports of ambulances unable to offload and patients being attended to on board. There are only a handful of patients who actually have covid but all the extra precautions plus an unfortunate though not major fire has meant the hospital just cannot cope, a spokesperson has said people are blocking A&E with things they should have just rung their local GP wherever they live to get sorted.

Nothing changed then. My mother died on 8th February 2015. During January and early February that year I recon I spent a total of five days standing beside her when she was on a trolley in the corridors of Stoke hospital.
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Post by burlingtonboaby Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:50 pm

burlingtonboaby wrote:its not surprising the infection rate is ramping up throughout the Country, Sewerby hall had a Hallowe'en event on yesterday ( probably all week), the car park was full with dozens of cars parked outside along grass verges.
We had our face masks on  throughout our dog walk around the woods and garden grounds, serval hundred young families decented on the event, only two with face masks worn by two young men, the excitable young kids were running amok, no social distancing whatever as everyone headed for the entrances , didn't see any warning signs, marshals at the event.
We are still in an low tier area and it will be interesting to see if our numbers will climb soon.  shrugg
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Is it a coincidence or what,   shrugg   east Yorks going into tier two on Saturday, just to add to my original post, my wife noticed two mini buses from Bradford empting youngsters and adults out into the venue, NO masks ,No social distancing.
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Post by burlingtonboaby Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:36 pm

Our local Gas safe engineer has just received a positive result and has returned home to isolate 
Problem is he's half way through fitting a new gas boiler into my neighbours bungalow, fortunately my neighbour has electric radiator s and hot water tank to use until the engineer returns.
Hope Ian ,our engineer doesn't fall ill.    up!
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Post by daisy mae Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:20 pm

Until people cut down on having families, especially when they expect the state to pay for them, we will not get the population down, that is the trouble.overpopulation. 

Viruses  have been about for centuries  so we just have to be aware and do the best we can to keep safe and keep away from those that don`t care.

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Post by burlingtonboaby Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:21 am

Hull has the highest rate of COVId-19 infections, no wonder, the population around this area still isn't getting it.
Hordes of school children with mums (some Dads) clued to their I phones , not ONE wearing a face mask, when will they learn.   shrugg   We have elderly neighbours with positive test results,fortunately they have family to support them, feel sorry for those who are alone.
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Post by Askit Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:05 am

I don't understand the fixation with Christmas, Canada relaxed their restrictions for their national day and now the infection rate is rising, wags in the US are already calling Thanksgiving "superspreader day".

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Post by Gromit Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:57 am

burlingtonboaby wrote:Hull has the highest rate of COVId-19 infections, no wonder, the population around this area still isn't getting it.
Hordes of school children with mums (some Dads) clued to their I phones , not ONE wearing a face mask, when will they learn.   shrugg   We have elderly neighbours with positive test results, fortunately they have family to support them, feel sorry for those who are alone.
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Spot on Boaby!  up!

If there's a surge in the infection rate in a specific area, it's patently obvious that there's an equally specific reason why it happens. Simple "cause and effect".

While on this theme, it's interesting to note that London (and a couple of other places) got hammered in the first wave, with infection and death rates way above the rest of the country.

Now during the second wave they have virtually zero excess deaths . . . which is the only genuine measure of the impact of the virus. The obvious explanation (ignored by the government) is that these areas have achieved herd immunity. Cause and effect again.  shrugg

So why do we all have to suffer a "one size fits all" lockdown, when it's quite obvious that parts of the country are either doing as they are told, or have a degree of immunity . . . and that the advice Boris was given was shown to be wildly inaccurate within a couple of hours of announcing it?

If he had had the bottle to stand up and say he now had more reliable data so the second lockdown was cancelled, his popularity rating would have soared. He could easily have pre-empted the inevitable scorn from Starmer and the media by starting the announcement with, "I'm delighted to announce we're able to do a U turn because . . . ."
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Post by burlingtonboaby Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:18 pm

burlingtonboaby wrote:Hull has the highest rate of COVId-19 infections, no wonder, the population around this area still isn't getting it.
Hordes of school children with mums (some Dads) clued to their I phones , not ONE wearing a face mask, when will they learn.   shrugg   We have elderly neighbours with positive test results,fortunately they have family to support them, feel sorry for those who are alone.
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Out of the frying pan and into the fire, out of lockdown 2 straight into teir 3    shrugg   , we are roped in with Hull and other areas with high COVID -19 infections., on the border with North Riding, we carnt even get out to Filey or Scarborough.
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Post by Dbvwt Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:24 pm

Yep, out of tier 1 straight into tier 2 despite our figures hardly changing.
Seems like the plan has been to upgrade many areas into a higher tier.

My mate lives in a tiny village in deepest rural Lincolnshire, now in the highest tier going!!
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Post by Bilbobaggins Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:17 pm

We can now get infection rate data to council ward level, the area I live in has a rate of 10 per 100000 over the past week, but because Angus neighbors Dundee and uses the same acute hospital we were put into Scottish level 3 last week with legal enforcement of travel bans etc. Dundee currently at rate of over 100 per 100000 but even then nowhere near reported rated for Glasgow (200+) or some English areas reporting 500+.

Happy to hide away but feel we are being picked on a bit despite local population following rules

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Post by bikeralw Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:25 pm

We're going to be in the highest tier, a rural area with extremely low cases lumped in with urban Derby. 
Straight from lockdown to, er, lockdown then.
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Post by Dbvwt Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:36 pm

I’ve been going along with the rules to date because I believed that even if I didn’t always agree, it was the right thing to do and those in charge didn’t stand a chance whatever they did.

Today is when my mindset has changed. 

Apologies now if others disagree but in many areas this has now become a joke.
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Post by groundhog Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:11 pm

They say the Isle of Wight is very nice this time of year or I can do you a very isolated pitch with EHU and hard standing in Cornwall for say £50 a night if you are from tier 2. If you look like you come from tier 3 I am afraid you may be shot crossing the Tamar.
You will see the pub is open just down then road serving all the locals with pints of the local hard stuff, if you walk in but live in a tier 2 area, sorry, you can only have a drink if you buy a meal as Boris says you must follow tier 2 rules. Rigorous checks will of course be made and proof must be provided. Saying "My luvver" or " My 'ansome" at the end of each sentence will not cut it.
You can of course swim in the local pool as long as you can convince everyone else to get out first as you dirty tier 2 people are not allowed to socialise indoors other than with your family and we do not allow bubbles in the pool unless they are in the hot tub. happyno
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This is all going to work really well isn't it!

The even better news of course is that after Christmas EVERYONE will be back in he same boat as the moronic amongst the population go about a very jolly social Christmas and we are back to square one. Never mind at least we can all clear off to France next year.... oh hang on a minute... we have all forgotten about B.....! wave
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Post by Gromit Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:59 am

The death rate in the UK for people who have died with Covid, not from it please note, is 0.07% of the population.

Those who have died from it must be in the 0.00% region, or even 0.000%.

I believe only 339 people under the age of 60, otherwise fit and well with no co-morbidity, have died from the disease . . . since last March!!

If these figures are true (and I believe they are) how can all the panic measures and knee jerk restrictions be justified, and the destruction of jobs, livelihoods and the broader economy be explained away?

You couldn't write the script!!
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Post by burlingtonboaby Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:38 am

Our local positive testing numbers are down to 202 last night, let's see how that number increases after the Christmas break with thousands traveling around the country.
It's mainly old folk around here who have generally followed the guidelines , with the odd exception,but still the younger generation don't wear masks or keep their distances.   shrugg
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Post by bikeralw Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:16 am

Our area 108 cases per 100,000, tier 3.
My best mate in East London, 291 cases per 100,000, tier 2.
The average for England 130.
It makes no sense to me.
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Post by mikethebike Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:32 am

Give it a couple of weeks and some will go lower.

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Post by Paulmold Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:40 am

If you are one of the 4.5 million users of the Covid-19 symptoms tracker run by Zoe, you get a figure each day of active cases in your area. Here in Flintshire we had over 2000 active cases (estimate for 7 days) less than 10 days ago. For the last three days that figure has fallen and is now around 400. It's now 3 weeks since we came out of our firebreak in Wales, so maybe it actually worked but strangely our first minister said yesterday that the number of cases in Wales was accelerating again and so tighter restrictions come into play again from this coming Friday. Just more confusion !

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Post by mikethebike Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:43 am

I think the first minister uses one size fits all.! Pain for all.

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Post by Mrgeoffrey Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:55 am

Far be it for me to defend the government but my understanding is SAGE are using a  more sophisticated model than purely numbers of cases per 100k  ie "case rates across all age groups, case rates in people over 60, the rate at which cases are rising or falling, the test positivity rate and the estimated pressure on the NHS" . Very difficult to find all these figures for any particular area but possibly available if your willing to dig deep enough
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