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Post by Quilter Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:19 am

bikeralw wrote:My OH originates from quite a bit further north than myself, and she gets annoyed when London based TV presenters emphasise the 'H' when mentioning northern towns. She says to all the inhabitants it's always been Ull and Uddersfield.. 
Just ask Freddie Flintoff..
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My great great grandmother, from South Yorkshire, was housemaid in a rather grand London house. On the census she appears as Helen. We know she was baptised Ellen. I can imagine the scene when the householder, filling in the household census return, called her into the drawing room and asked her full name : " Ellen, my Lord ".  He then presumably made allowances for her northern accent and wrote her down as Helen.
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Post by Guest Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:49 pm

Gromit wrote:Wonder if I'll get another "exclusive offer" from BT today.

A new phone deal offered "exclusively" to me . . . and everyone else on their mailing list!!
Which if you shop around you can get for the same price or even less elsewhere.

So it is not only not "exclusive", it's not even a special "offer"
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Post by Gromit Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:14 am

The one that still gets my teeth grinding is, "I was like . . . . "

It doesn't even make any sense!!

The other current "in" phrase that I really don't understand is "Person of colour"???

In linguistic terms I can't see any difference in meaning or nuance between "Person of colour" and "Coloured person", but it seems the latter is now considered offensive.

Why?? 

I am genuinely baffled by much of the recent ultra PC movement. Surely referring to someone as a coloured person is perfectly respectful, and not at all racist, supremist or demeaning. It's just a simple description of someone who is not white??
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Post by bikeralw Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:07 am

I quite agree Dave. I'm baffled by the recent controversy over what's considered 'offensive' language. I have a personal friend who is a person of colour, and she considers both terms are not in the least racist. She jokingly calls me a non-coloured person..
What she can't comprehend is that the N word is rightly abhorrent in general conversation, but is perfectly acceptable when repeated constantly in current rap songs.. What are young folk expected to make of these double standards?
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Post by Gromit Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:40 am

I don't understand rap either Al, and never listen to it so I wasn't aware of the N word being used in that context.  rolleyes

But does "Person of colour" even make sense??

I'm with your friend here. It seems to me that most of the "offensive" language you refer to is a manufactured means to an end by those who actively look for ever more ways to be offended.

Or more likely, to be offended "by proxy"!

Should I refer to my 5' 6" shooting mate as "A person of limited altitude" just in case he may be offended by being called "short"? 

Does anyone ever ask those who might be offended if they are actually upset by certain terminology, much of which has been in general, and completely inoffensive use for centuries?  shrugg

"Black" is back in favour now, but only a few years ago there was a hell of a furore over it's use, to the extent that "Baa baa black sheep" was banned!

Baffled, I am!!  shrugg
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Post by bikeralw Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:37 pm

Don't dare mention a person's country of birth either.
Who remembers the case of the inept teacher being awarded £15,000 compensation for hurt feelings when a colleague called him an Irish prat?
 Just prat would have been quite acceptable then..
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Post by Guest Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:43 pm

Most army nicknames tended to be based around ethnicity, size, origin, distinguishing features etc., all probably frowned upon with todays sensibilities.

Doesn't mean a squad wouldn't fight for each other.

It's not the words but how they are said.
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Post by Askit Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:42 am

I was having a look at the back of my Saturday newspaper magazine which always has an advert for some, ahem, unusual objects (IMHO expensive rubbish). This week a grandparent can buy a gift for a grandson, a framed printed poem designed to inspire (only £100 in three easy payments). One of the qualities it suggests is to have honor   scratch head Later in the day I was looking at Derby MHs. They have Warwick XLs on sale in a range of colors  think_smiley_46.


Did I miss the UK being annexed by the USA  shrugg

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Post by Cymro Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:39 am

Yes, Tony, it's pernicious. But I still await to see in Britain the sign I saw at an hotel lobby in Miami: "The Receptionist will be with you momentarily".  Now you'll see her, then in a flash you won't.

The influence of USA-speak on UK children is also clear. My bilingual [Welsh / UK English] 6-year old pronounces 20 as "twenny". I despair.

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Post by Ray Wilkins Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:46 pm

The latest phrase that really irritates me is "anytime soon".
Why can't they just say "soon"?
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Post by groundhog Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:22 pm

Ray Wilkins wrote:The latest phrase that really irritates me is "anytime soon".
Why can't they just say "soon"?
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Post by Toffee Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:37 pm

A young lad I worked with about 7 years ago when proclaiming to be telling the truth would state “I swear down” this had most of us rolling around laughing, it seems it’s now a common phrase used in TV drama’s
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Post by Dave Gee Mon Jan 02, 2023 11:12 am

Just joined and loving this thread - the one that really gets me is 'new and improved'  It can't be both, surely it's either new or it's improved? (apologies for calling you shirley  smile!)
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Post by breakaleg Mon Jan 02, 2023 11:26 am

Improved means ..... made cheaper so the only improvement is to the manufacturer 

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Post by Kdc Mon Jan 02, 2023 12:15 pm

The English language is a bit odd sometimes,A fat chance and a slim chance both mean the same thing ???
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Post by Cymro Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:52 pm

My granddaughter was puzzled: we walked past the theatre, outside which the hoarding said: 

"CAVALCADE
Pronounced success!"

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Post by rogerblack Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:20 pm

Kdc wrote:The English language is a bit odd sometimes,A fat chance and a slim chance both mean the same thing ???
Pricey is less valuable than priceless ... scratch head

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Post by groundhog Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:38 pm

Nothing is better than a Jet2 holiday scratch head
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Post by Askit Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:12 am

I thought the notorious inclusion of the word "like" randomly in sentences was annoying but the latest fashion for doing similar with "yeh" is really getting on my wick  confused3

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Post by Dave Gee Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:13 am

Or the footballers favourite - saying 'you know' in the middle of a sentence.
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Post by OssettIan Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:59 am

Askit wrote:I thought the notorious inclusion of the word "like" randomly in sentences was annoying but the latest fashion for doing similar with "yeh" is really getting on my wick  confused3

No, the inclusion of the word " like" inappropriately throughout every sentence is the one that angers me the most. " If you like know what I mean like"
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Post by groundhog Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:02 pm

Work There is a word no one seems to understand these days.
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