Lock Down

Yes, only 4 CAMC sites in Wales are likely to re-open on 9 Nov : Brecon, Pembrey, Chirk and Newport. Shall look at commercial sites, but probably limited. Would be so nice to have a few days away!

Gromit wrote:Surely the best option was/is to advise the elderly and vulnerable to be very careful indeed . . . as if they need such advice!!

Then let the rest of the country go back to more or less normal.

We now know that the risk of serious illness to most young(er) and healthy people is minimal, and whatever knee-jerk impositions we are forced to suffer, and for however long, the virus will still be out there waiting to get anyone and everyone eventually!!

The elderly and vulnerable are not in work anyway, so Rishi doesn't have to give them financial support, and they have no jobs to lose or businesses to fold up. The rest of the population could carry on keeping the economy going, saving jobs and livelihoods and also saving the Exchequer billions in support packages which would no longer be needed.

The most ludicrous aspect of this new lockdown is that something like a quarter of the population is mingling closely and carrying on as normal anyway!! Almost everyone under the age of 22 is at school, college or university, plus all the staff and ancillary workers also involved. They won't be spreading the virus of course!!!!!!

We all know that herding cats is far easier than persuading teenagers to obey the rules.

Well, all of us except Boris, apparently!!

Read The Great Barrington Declaration.  https://gbdeclaration.org/

Dave

It is not often I disagree with you Dave but I think you have missed an important point.

Lock all the old and vulnerable away and let the herd run rampant ignoring all the rules as they inevitably will. Result is not many of them will die and herd immunity will be built up, apart from not being fare to those locked away you are failing to address the important issue right now.

The major problem we face is hospital beds, already in parts of the Country we are within a few days or weeks of having none available. Essential operations are being cancelled and treatments for other illnesses being delayed.  Release the herd and more of them will get sick taking up even more hospital beds which will mean even fewer beds available for the old, infirm and sick. Consequently a greater number are likely to die.

Economically of course this  is a disaster of unimaginable proportion. Jobs will be lost, businesses will fold but once this is all over the economy will bounce back and new jobs in new sectors will be created. The country will have a window to emerge as a better place stronger, more efficient, greener and with greater opportunities. 

With regard to education surely it must be a priority at whatever cost to keep the young who will be the providers of tomorrow in a stable learning situation.

Finally a personal thing and I want no one to take this the wrong way.

I have every sympathy with people who are 'locked down' and are in desperate need for whatever reason, I would be the first to help where possible. For the vast majority though this lock down is an inconvenience for a limited period of time and for some even an opportunity to extract as much as they can from the system.

Being 'locked up' is a far worse experience, I spent a period of time in a West African prison with a gun at my head until a ransom was paid. No food unless it was bought in for you, no facilities, you urinate on the floor and no bed just some old car tyres. I was sentenced to five years of that for a crime I didn't commit ( sounds like the A team ) and would have given all my assets gladly just to see my family and daylight again. Fortunately the ransom was paid and I walked free. Maybe that has coloured my judgement somewhat but compared to that lock down is a walk in the park. 

What we need is not being locked down, locked up, furloughed or have a circuit breaker, we need ALL of the public to use their common sense and then by being careful and doing the right thing there is no reason EVERYONE shouldn't be able to live their life as practically as possible. Ban all non essential travel in to or out of the Country and ban all non essential travel outside of your area of the country, don't advise against it, ban it.

There is no point blaming Boris, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, until ALL the public start behaving properly this virus will be hanging around. Of course he doesn't have the answers, please step forward the man or woman that does

Now I am getting emotional, forgive me
Stay safe
'hog

Thanks Boaby

It was quite difficult at the time (1998) and changed my perspective on what is important, in that situation you don't worry about yourself, your loved ones and how your death will hit them becomes everything. Others have been through far worse than me though. Must dash, 700 of us going to a rave in Bristol tonight. With modern technology the police must be able to identify these idiots, fine the lot of them heavily and they may be discouraged.