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Post by CC Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:49 am

Our Broadway has been in & out of various garages for the last year with an intermittent issue where it suddenly loses power when accelerating away from junctions & roundabouts, easing off the throttle it slowly clears & power resumes till the next time it happens, despite numerous diagnostic testing being carried out no one has been able to locate the actual problem. 

Busseys of Norwich our local Peugeot dealer here in Norfolk were most unhelpful & refused to even look at it, according to them our 2010 Peugeot Boxer is so old their diagnostic software no longer supports it & they therefore deem it obsolete, they also added these vehicles are well known for these kind of issues over 10yrs old hence they wouldn’t attempt to diagnose the problem, pity they don’t tell people that when they sell these vehicles from new [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Another example of generally just how crap main dealers are & best avoided. 

Got so despondent trying to resolve the issue & not being able to use our Broadway we are trading it in, ironically two trips to derby to the dealer & it has ran absolutely fine, regardless still have no confidence in it, final icing on the cake was dealer telling us we have up to 70% damp resulting in £3,000 less than their original trade in value, another dealer only a week earlier did a damp check as part of their appraisal & said there were no signs of damp to worry about & it was a great example, obviously one is wrong [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 

Having owned our Broadway since it was 3yrs old & has to date only done 36k, we will be really sad to see it go, it’s been an amazing Motorhome & we’ve had some amazing travels in it.

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Post by burlingtonboaby Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:37 am

Nice to see you back on the forum CC, so sorry your van isn't running right and you've lost your mojo with it, I had the same problems with the Sigma, never ending money pit.
Given up touring now and we have a wee Devon fire fly, ideal for day and weekend trips.
Hope you get a replacement for you van CC, take care,nice to see you back .
All the best for 2024.
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Post by The Bargee Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:52 am

It might be too late to suggest it but the first thing I would check is the fuel.

Diesel fuel can become infected with a microbial bug, particularly if fuel has been standing for a while and/or if contaminated with water. This blocks filters and fuel lines. Has anybody checked this? Not sure a computer would do it!

A sample of fuel in a glass container should look clear and bright. If it is murky or black you have the bug, which in mild doses can be cleared with a biocidal additive. At worst the fuel system has to be cleaned out.
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Post by CC Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:32 am

Thanks Boaby we are changing & downsizing to a van conversion, will really miss the space & luxury of the coachbuilt but it’s pretty much the exact same layout albeit in a smaller footprint. 

The Bargee I’ve treated it with a bio dial additive over the years as a precaution being aware of the diesel bug, so pretty sure that’s not the issue, also pretty sure it’s not fuel related, error codes come back as canbus related, brake switch sensor has been replaced twice as that was suggested as being one of the issues but made no difference. 

We pick up our new van in just under a couple of weeks, so happy just to move on, with modern onboard ecu’s & diagnostic equipment I find it shocking that no one can actually pinpoint the issue, trying to find someone actually competent in looking at these vehicles is an effort in itself, knowing how problematic these vans can be garages are just not interested & clueless.

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Post by Askit Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:15 am

Good luck with your new van CC, I completely understand your frustration at not being able to get a proper diagnosis and repair.

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Post by Beetee Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:43 am

Don't suppose it will come with a warning when it is sold on
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Post by IanH Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:47 am

CC your comment re ECU codes etc is precisely why my van is 2001 and, as an added bonus has nothing with Sargent written on it inside.

It is maintained perfectly easily here in North Walsham with none of the niggles which fill these pages.

Hope the new one is better tho.....
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Post by CC Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:30 am

Beetee wrote:Don't suppose it will come with a warning when it is sold on
Dealer stated they won’t retail it but send it straight to auction, guessing another dealer lower down the chain will most likely buy it so it down to them, no doubt they’ll sell it with one of those worthless warranties so hopefully any buyer will get it resolved by the dealer or warranty, having said this it’s driven with no issues for about the past 400+ miles but we have sadly lost confidence in it & just havnt travelled as we would have wished over the past several months.


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Post by CC Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:37 am

IanH wrote:CC your comment re ECU codes etc is precisely why my van is 2001 and, as an added bonus has nothing with Sargent written on it inside.

It is maintained perfectly easily here in North Walsham with none of the niggles which fill these pages.

Hope the new one is better tho.....

Agree all the onboard gizmos are practically useless, what’s the point if a main dealer won’t touch it & other mechanics are just clueless & scratch their heads. Another common problem with these Peugeot/Fiat/Citreon vans are the air bag ecu’s & instrument cluster failures on vehicles just 3 or 4 yrs old, searching around online opens up a multitude of problems people have with them, not great when you are going down the route of buying another  confused3

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Post by burlingtonboaby Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:08 pm

CC wrote:Thanks Boaby we are changing & downsizing to a van conversion, will really miss the space & luxury of the coachbuilt but it’s pretty much the exact same layout albeit in a smaller footprint. 

The Bargee I’ve treated it with a bio dial additive over the years as a precaution being aware of the diesel bug, so pretty sure that’s not the issue, also pretty sure it’s not fuel related, error codes come back as canbus related, brake switch sensor has been replaced twice as that was suggested as being one of the issues but made no difference. 

We pick up our new van in just under a couple of weeks, so happy just to move on, with modern onboard ecu’s & diagnostic equipment I find it shocking that no one can actually pinpoint the issue, trying to find someone actually competent in looking at these vehicles is an effort in itself, knowing how problematic these vans can be garages are just not interested & clueless.
We downsized to a Duetto (10reg) big mistake ,then a 16 Warwick duo for 3 years, the Warwick was great van not without its niggles , I.e air bag warning censor, replacement cost with diagnostic tests cost around .
£500 .
Good luck with your New van cc ,what model are you getting ? Boaby
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Post by CC Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:51 am

Hi Boaby

Sadly AutoSleepers don’t do a vehicle that suits our needs, we would have liked another end lounge Broadway but they’ve messed that up by increasing its length, re jigging the kitchen location & putting the hab door in the centre. Another consideration was the issue of damp, which after consideration lead to us to going down the van conversion route. 

The only vehicle that we considered was the Warwick as the other model layouts just don’t work for us, but couldn’t live with that awful & intrusive wardrobe over the bunk making it feel claustrophobic, the Warwick XL works way better but takes us over the 5.99m length so we’ve had to look elsewhere, which has lead us to an Auto Trail V-Line 610, which is lovely, modern looking and uncluttered, not full of dated drapes and cushions, such a shame as would loved to have stayed with an Auto-Sleeper especially with the involvement with the forum etc but it is what it is I guess.

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Post by burlingtonboaby Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:29 pm

I'm still bumbling about the forum cc, despite changing vans to a Devon, not contributing much regarding Autosleeper vans, however I just enjoy the craic, or patter.
Enjoy you new van.
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Post by frederic Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:41 pm

The 2010 Marquis fwd Duetto's were to be avoided. I think we saw one similar to yours at SMC Newark a few years back when at the Rally and yes it was a pale shadow to the rwd units that we had, trim wise. All 3 of our Duettos were fine each with their foibles, Smiley face non turbo rust wise, Mk6 (auto! service?) fine and the Mk7 also, only changed from it to get an auto box.
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ps how about you singing the Devons praises as the VW bases are no longer available from A/S (Trident Trooper Topaz)
Did you consider Bilbo?
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Post by CC Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:42 pm

The Devon’s are well made vans, MrsCC wanted to go for an Aztec, they have a bit of an Auto-Sleeper feel inside regarding quality of build and fittings.

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Post by postman Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:20 am

I have exactly this problem on occasion when setting off at junctions and roundabouts. In my case I put it down to driver error. I think it's down to my age and progressively lazier driving habits! It always happens when I go for a gap in the traffic so is the worst possible time to lose power. I think it has possibly got worse over time (2013 model, had it from new) but I’m quite sure it’s down to setting off in a hurry without giving it a breath of throttle first. Starting to release the clutch even the tiniest bit and then flooring the throttle is enough to refuse to do more than tick over for several embarrassing seconds.
I think it's possibly to do with not giving the turbo time to kick in.
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Post by Peggykay Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:18 pm

Hi there, we had similar issue with our Broadway this year, 2011 plate on a Fiat 3.0L, transpired it was to do with a part on the accelerator 
Pedal linked to the exhaust,I can’t remember the name of it offhand, but I will look it up when home and post here, our garage specialises in motorhomes (not a dealer btw) found it straightaway, it was a Fiat main dealer part only, so had to be ordered from Fiat, and our garage Geoff Kilbey fixed it, and overall not expensive.,,, sometimes it lost power and injector warning light would come on…. Thankfully it wasn’t injector issue, but something to do with the request for power from the throttle pedal … simple fix… I will update later… maybe this helps someone else & I am aware you mentioned yours is on a Peugeot so not the same but symptoms is exactly what we experienced…
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Post by postman Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:35 pm

Peggykay wrote:Hi there, we had similar issue with our Broadway this year, 2011 plate on a Fiat 3.0L, transpired it was to do with a part on the accelerator 
Pedal linked to the exhaust,I can’t remember the name of it offhand, but I will look it up when home and post here, our garage specialises in motorhomes (not a dealer btw) found it straightaway, it was a Fiat main dealer part only, so had to be ordered from Fiat, and our garage Geoff Kilbey fixed it, and overall not expensive.,,, sometimes it lost power and injector warning light would come on…. Thankfully it wasn’t injector issue, but something to do with the request for power from the throttle pedal … simple fix… I will update later… maybe this helps someone else & I am aware you mentioned yours is on a Peugeot so not the same but symptoms is exactly what we experienced…
I look forward to seeing that. Sounds promising.
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Post by CC Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:40 am

postman wrote:I have exactly this problem on occasion when setting off at junctions and roundabouts. In my case I put it down to driver error. I think it's down to my age and progressively lazier driving habits! It always happens when I go for a gap in the traffic so is the worst possible time to lose power. I think it has possibly got worse over time (2013 model, had it from new) but I’m quite sure it’s down to setting off in a hurry without giving it a breath of throttle first. Starting to release the clutch even the tiniest bit and then flooring the throttle is enough to refuse to do more than tick over for several embarrassing seconds.
I think it's possibly to do with not giving the turbo time to kick in.

It’s a bit more serious and troublesome than heavy foot syndrome Postman, the vehicle has on occasions lost power entirely and shuddered to a halt on the worst occasions, the best scenario was easing off the throttle then power resumes, it’s quite worrying and very dangerous when exiting a slip road when joining a motorway trying to get your speed up for it to just konk out on you. anyway it doesn’t really matter now as we pick up our new van tomorrow. It’s just sad that this whole thing has forced us to change Motorhomes simply because no one’s been able to locate & resolve the issue.

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Post by burlingtonboaby Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:28 pm

Come on CC, what van are you getting.  scratch head   shrugg   Whistle1
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Post by Paulmold Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:39 pm

I thought he posted somewhere he was getting a Autotrail V-line
See post above 19 Dec.

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Post by burlingtonboaby Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:20 pm

Paulmold wrote:I thought he posted somewhere he was getting a Autotrail V-line
See post above 19 Dec.

Aye yer right Paul, thought he might have gone for the wife's choice .
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