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Post by Mike187 Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:02 pm

Another member asked me to photograph the positions of the springs on the claws of the Hartal door and thought they might be useful to others who had to replace broken springs.
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Post by Cymro Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:27 pm

Thank you for posting those photos, Mike. I'm sure they'll be very helpful. Wish I'd seen them when my Hartal springs broke!  

Perhaps Mods might consider moving this to a Factsheet?

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Post by Eltel Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:33 pm

Many thanks for posting the photos 

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Post by Askit Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:00 pm

Thanks Mike up! I'm the culprit folks, it was me who asked Mike for help and he generously took the photos and added the annotations for clarity. I had already bought the replacement spring but was a bit worried about venturing into the unknown (Hartal pointblank refused any assistance). The spring (no1) was accessed without having to completely remove the half moon panel. The spring is held in place with a circlip and washer.

I second Cymro's suggestion of moving this (and the other thread on Mike's actuator repair) to a factsheet, this issue has come up several times in the past and will surely prove useful to forum members.

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Post by Norrie23 Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:02 pm

Hi. Where can I buy these springs? My bottom catch spring has just broken!
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Post by PLOUGHLIN Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:40 pm

AS has them page 23 on their parts list

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Post by hblewett Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:03 pm

Bottom spring just broken.  Is it always the bottom spring?  I've just sent an order to Autosleepers Spares Dept - does anyone know if they've got them in stock at present please?
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Post by Eltel Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:12 pm

hblewett wrote:Bottom spring just broken.  Is it always the bottom spring?  I've just sent an order to Autosleepers Spares Dept - does anyone know if they've got them in stock at present please?
I would suggest a telephone call to Autosleepers would be the best bet.

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Post by inspiredron Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:07 pm

Mike187 wrote:Another member asked me to photograph the positions of the springs on the claws of the Hartal door and thought they might be useful to others who had to replace broken springs.
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Thanks for posting this, Mike.
I have just discovered that one or possibly two springs on the lower catch of my Hartal door has broken as that catch does not flip over properly when latched as it should (and as the top latch does).

As recommended I have looked in the A/S spares catalogue and found this page
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It looks as though the first two are miirror images - one for the bottom catch and one for the top, presumably, and they also look like Spring 1 in your photos.  Is thatthe one that breaks because I cannot see anything that resembles your Spring 2 and their third illustration does not resemble anything in your photos.

It may be obvious when I dismantle but I woudl rather buy the bits first, particularly in this inclement weather.

I'd be grateful fo ryour experience.

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Post by Mike187 Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:42 pm

Hi Ron,

 I’m afraid I’m not much help on this, I was actually replacing the lock actuator and not the springs. I took the photos for Tony (Askit) who was replacing his. 

I’ll check on my desktop as I think I have more photos but I’m not sure if they will make it any more clear.

Neither of those springs seem right to me, the ends are not bent in the right directions, might they be for the newer door. If I remember correctly the third spring could be from the door handle assembly.

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Post by KMRTOPAZ Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:23 pm

I wish I knew what a Hartal door was !
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Post by inspiredron Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:39 pm

Thanks, Mike. 👍

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Post by Cymro Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:23 am

KMRTOPAZ wrote:I wish I knew what a Hartal door was !
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 No you don't!!  

But you'll know if you've got one! So will AS Spares Dept, and your Dealer!

Lucky you.

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Post by Askit Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:58 am

Ron, the first spring pictured (bottom catch spring) is what I replaced. I still have the invoice but it has no part number on it. It is referred to as the "old hartal door spring" as there is apparently a newer type of door used in later models.

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Post by Mike187 Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:20 am

Sorry Ron, I’ve got more photos, but they only show what’s on these.

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Post by Sparks Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:31 pm

I would be interest to know if A/S now have these springs in stock, when I wanted one they said they were not being manufactured. I finished up by making one myself, well actually I made 6 but only one worked
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Post by PLOUGHLIN Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:42 pm

Sparks wrote:I would be interest to know if A/S now have these springs in stock, when I wanted one they said they were not being manufactured. I finished up by making one myself, well actually I made 6 but only one worked

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Post by Askit Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:23 pm

PLOUGHLIN wrote:
Sparks wrote:I would be interest to know if A/S now have these springs in stock, when I wanted one they said they were not being manufactured. I finished up by making one myself, well actually I made 6 but only one worked

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Peter, they display the springs online but often they are out of stock. I have tried on a couple of occasions to order one (just in case  Whistle1) but they've had none. When I suggested to a new member who needed one they should contact AS for one,  I got a reply suggesting they were rather frustrated with my suggestion (work it out for yourselves biggrin ).

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Post by inspiredron Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:09 pm

Mike187 wrote:Sorry Ron, I’ve got more photos, but they only show what’s on these.

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Thanks for looking, Mike.

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Post by inspiredron Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:15 pm

Askit wrote:Ron, the first spring pictured (bottom catch spring) is what I replaced. I still have the invoice but it has no part number on it. It is referred to as the "old hartal door spring" as there is apparently a newer type of door used in later models.
Thank you,Tony. I guess that I'll have to check the catches and then order.

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