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Post by Caraman on Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:42 pm

The outer extremities of my bike's wheels on the Fiamma rack fitted to my 2019 Nuevo are just about in line with the inner edges of the Nuevo's rear lights.  This means that if the rear of the Nuevo is viewed from an angle, one of the rear lights is partially obscured by the bike's wheel.  I would like to fit a bike cover to my rack but I am concerned it will obscure more of the rear lights.  Does anyone have experience of this and is it a problem?
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Post by harrysp on Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:19 pm

AFAIK if your bike or the cover obscures your lights you will need a lighting board and electrics to connect it to. Can you manage without the cover if it's workable. Other alternatives are a tow bar and a bike rack mounted on that, or smaller wheels on your bike.

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Post by Caraman on Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:02 pm

That’s interesting.  When I discussed this with Marquis before buying the Nuevo, which as standard is fitted for but not with a bike rack, they said a lighting board was not needed but my concern then was the rear number plate being obscured rather than the rear lights.  It’s only after fitting a bike that the proximity of the wheels to the lights becomes apparent.  The rear lights on the 2019 Nuevo are quite elongated and tall so not all of them are obscured and viewed at distance perpendicularly from the rear, neither are obscured.  It’s viewing at an angle that causes the obscuration.
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Post by roli on Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:00 pm

I go along with Harry.   Also a marker board should be considered

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Post by Phil j on Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:21 pm

i have the same problem with my 2018 Broadway so only tend to use the cover if the weather is a "bit iffy" while parked up
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Post by Kingham on Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:48 pm

Caraman wrote:That’s interesting.  When I discussed this with Marquis before buying the Nuevo, which as standard is fitted for but not with a bike rack, they said a lighting board was not needed but my concern then was the rear number plate being obscured rather than the rear lights.  It’s only after fitting a bike that the proximity of the wheels to the lights becomes apparent.  The rear lights on the 2019 Nuevo are quite elongated and tall so not all of them are obscured and viewed at distance perpendicularly from the rear, neither are obscured.  It’s viewing at an angle that causes the obscuration.

Should it have been obvious to Marquis that once the bikes were being carried, they would obscure the registration plate ? If so, then their advice is incorrect. It is an offence for the registration plate not to be easily readable and a bike obscuring it will complete the offence.

Similarly, any obscuring of your lights may be an offence and if the bikes or bike rack can’t be repositioned to avoid this, then a lighting board will be required. Without digging further, from memory, I’m fairly certain there is similar legislation covering brake lights, which applies during daylight. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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Post by Paramedic on Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:58 pm

Phil j wrote:i have the same problem with my 2018 Broadway so only tend to use the cover if the weather is a "bit iffy" while parked up
The owner's handbook for our 2013 Broadway states,
"Cycle Rack. In order that a cycle rack can be fitted, the rear panel coach work has been strengthened accordingly. Timber is bonded into the bodywork immediately above the rear light units, laterally across the vehicle. This allows the lower mounting brackets for the Fiamma Pro C cycle rack to be fitted in a suitably reinforced area".

Rather when retro fitting, it appears that the latest coach builds by design, have lower mounting points for the Fiamma, hence problems arising of obscuring the rear lights. I recall an earlier post where the need for a lighting board was necessary but needless extra expenditure on a Mercedes coach build for the same reason.

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Post by KMRTOPAZ on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:00 am

I have no knowledge of the design of the Fiamma rack in question here, but with the Fiamma rack made for VW T4/5/6 vehicles, it is possible to relocate the actual rack (the structure that the bikes stand on) vertically (up or down) on the frame.  It requires the drilling of two new holes for the hinge pins/bolts on which the rack is mounted.   This may offer a simple solution to the problem. It did for me. Keith
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Post by Caraman on Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:48 am

Many thanks for your comments.  I have gone back to Auto-Sleepers and asked them the question.
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Post by Caraman on Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:24 pm

Just to close this issue, AS are supplying me with a 12N socket and lead that is designed to plug into the electrical harness behind and under the rear cooker and I have just bought a lighting board from Aldi for £12.99 marked down from £18.99!
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Post by bolero boy on Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 pm

my view (and I had two vans with rear racks prior to having garages) forget the cover and the marker board.
covers are a waste of time, a pain to put on, and to store when soaking wet...just wipe the bikes off if wet....and if without a cover they're not reall obscuring the lights, don't bother with a marker board

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Post by Caraman on Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:25 am

Thanks Bolero boy.  You have experience of rear racks and covers which I don't.  It might be a bit of an overkill in this country to use the lighting board when there is no cover fitted but for the price and peace of mind it seemed worth it.  When we travel on the continent it will obviate the need for a rear marker board which I understand is a legal requirement.  What are other people's views on bike rack covers - are they worth the trouble and expense?  Quite a lot of people have them.
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Post by CC on Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:34 am

Don't think I’d ever have a bike rack on a Motorhome again personally... I’d Go for a tow bar and tow bar fitted bike rack next time for the reasons already stated, plus our rear window is coming out on our current journey which I can only put down to the flexing on the rear wall with our bikes, which are both lightweight no more than 11kg each, (thank goodness I didn’t bring my Haibike e-mountain bike 25kg) ironically I’ve always have had these concerns about bike racks previously which is now worryingly proving itself so.

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Post by harrysp on Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:07 am

Caraman wrote:Thanks Bolero boy.  You have experience of rear racks and covers which I don't.  It might be a bit of an overkill in this country to use the lighting board when there is no cover fitted but for the price and peace of mind it seemed worth it.  When we travel on the continent it will obviate the need for a rear marker board which I understand is a legal requirement.  What are other people's views on bike rack covers - are they worth the trouble and expense?  Quite a lot of people have them.
In Spain (and Italy too I think) you will need the rear marker board in addition to the lighting board. We have a tow bar carrier and still use the rear board in Spain. I spent some time investigating if we needed it, but couldn’t find anything to say we didn’t so we use it as there are countless bored police parked on the motorways just looking for some small misdemeanour to stop us. However we haven’t used it in any other European countries as it is a nuisance to put on and our cover hasn’t got a plastic envelope.

As for covers, to some extent I agree that they are a nuisance. But we now have expensive ebikes and, especially when travelling in winter, I like them to have some protection against the elements. We probably wouldn’t bother if we had less valuable bikes. Currently we’re in Holland and the locals on the whole don’t bother and they all have good quality ebikes.

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Post by Caraman on Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:14 am

Thanks Harry.  If a lighting board with reflectors etc is carried it defies logic that the marker board should also be carried but better safe than sorry.  We haven't bought a cover yet but the Taylormade we have our eye on has a pocket for the marker board.  Under FAQ in the Fiamma web site it says that if a marker board is carried in Italy it has to be made of alloy.  I have caravanned for 25 years and never covered my bikes but have always thought it preferable to do so.  A cover will protect the bikes, and anything else that is stowed on the rack in-lieu of a bike, from prying eyes while travelling.  Interesting that you have a tow bar like CC.  I wasn't intending to fit one.  The total weight of my load should be no more than about 20 kgs.  If there have been stress problems in the past, I would like to think that AS have addressed them by now.
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Post by CC on Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:20 pm

Over in europe I've seen a number of motorhomes with bike / scooter racks that are attached to the chassis underneath, its like an extension to the chassis and looks a very good option, saves on having a tow-bar fitted just to use for carrying bikes.

With regards bike covers I'm with others in that they are a waste of time and a faff to put on and off, we have one but never use it! Just the obligatory reflector and diagonal striped safety board clipped over the bikes.

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Post by bolero boy on Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:37 pm

I'd be a bit careful weight wise with towbar fitted racks.....the towbar  might be 25kg, the rack the same and a couple of ebikes another 50kg....that's 100kg hung well put beyond the rear axle, so will add (say) 125+ kg to the rear axle...
I'm sure there are many 3.5t vans out there that don't have is sort of spare capacity on the rear axle...
I would definitely weigh the van in 'full race trim' (incl passengers, bedding, pots/pans, books, electrical items, coats and other clothing, kitchen/fridge/freezer supplies, tools awnings, chairs, tables, windbreaks etc, etc) noting particularly the rear axle loading before sourcing a heavy towbar and fitted rack....
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Post by harrysp on Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:08 pm

We have weighed our van loaded for a long trip and we had 90 kg to spare on the payload. I am very keen on everything that goes in the van as regards weight and don’t travel with a full tank of water. You’re right in that it is easy to exceed the weight, but with diligent packing it can be done. 

CC, have also seen several of those cycle carriers attached to the chassis in Europe. We looked into one -Swaiko- before getting the towbar but it was very expensive. Bet they pay a lot less in Europe!

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Post by Quilter on Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:01 pm

CC wrote:Over in europe I've seen a number of motorhomes with bike / scooter racks that are attached to the chassis underneath, its like an extension to the chassis and looks a very good option, saves on having a tow-bar fitted just to use for carrying bikes.

We had an Alko Sawiko Velo III carrier fitted a few years ago to our Broadway to carry 2 e- bikes. We used to have a standard Fiamma rack with 2 Raleigh Shopper bikes .

It was expensive, had to be carefully measured and supplied to order for fitting by Heart of England Motorhomes at Long Buckby, but it is not something we have had the slightest regret doing.

Quite apart from the fact that it is low to the ground so lifting the heavy bikes on is very easy, it makes the van plus bikes feel very much more stable when driving, especially on roundabouts or twisting roads. It folds up when the bikes are off and can be removed altogether if no bikes or for transfer to another van.

We use a bike cover with the e- bikes because we don’t want the electronic bits and controls to get full of grit or too wet. We use a striped reflective backboard whenever we travel: if it improves safety in countries where it is compulsory then it improves safety everywhere. It certainly makes the back of the van more visible.

Edit to add: it also allows the rear, kitchen window to be opened fully when the bikes are on and doesn’t obscure the view as the Fiamma did.
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Post by Page Turner on Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:43 pm

We have the same issue with the bike rack/lights on our Nuevo.  Caraman, could I ask who you contacted at AS?  Could I be cheeky and ask what they are charging for the socket too.  Also, us not being technical folk, would you be able to explain more about how to access the connection behind the cooker?
It will be a while before we’re able to take our bikes in any case, because we got rear-ended after only having the van 5 weeks (we’re 90% sure the driver was on the phone but can’t prove it)  It’s probably going to be the end of the year before it’s sorted, the whole rear panel needs replacing and they don’t keep them as spares so we have to wait for a manufacturing run.  It would be nice to have a socket and board ready to fit when it’s all fixed.
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Post by Caraman on Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:48 pm

Page Turner - I am really sorry to hear about your predicament.  I hope it gets sorted soon and before the Summer is over.  The person I communicated with at AS was Dave Williams the Sales Director.  This is what he said:


Thank you for your recent email enquiry submitted via our website regarding 12v connections for use with our Fiamma bike rack fixings and please be advised our Motorhomes are indeed pre wired for rear lighting boards and can be found secured onto the underside of the floor behind the rear panel, which your supplying dealer will be able to assist you with if that is easier than doing so on your own....... please be advised the VLM unit is positioned inside the locker below the cooker on the Nueveo model, with a dedicated socket on this for the 12N socket to plug into which then integrates the running board into the vehicle electrical system.


We are having a few problems with our Nuevo.  Took delivery on 31 May and by 11 Jun is was unusable as the water pump and Combi boiler had packed up.  I spent all of Wednesday at the dealer and will have to go back again to get the water pump replaced.  The EC700 control unit may also need replacing as its internal clock is wildly inaccurate.  The dealer is waiting for the 12N connecting cable and socket to come from AS and hopefully will fit it on my next visit.  There has been no mention of cost. I also have to take the Nuevo to a Peugeot dealer to get the odometer fixed which was flashing when we took delivery of it. 

AS has not expressed an opinion whether a bike rack on the Nuevo needs a lighting board although the dealer said not but that was in relation to the number plate which isn't obscured by the rack or bikes.  The lights are obscured by the bikes but it's a matter of judgement whether this justifies a lighting board as some of the light passes through the spokes of the wheels but definitely not if a cover is fitted.
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Post by Page Turner on Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:29 pm

Crikey Caraman, sounds like you’re having a nightmare, I hope it gets sorted soon.  Fortunately we can still use ours despite the dents, cracks and very wonky bike rack, it just looks a mess from behind.  We’ve had some snagging issues too, the shower mounting was cracked, the toilet flush ran constantly, and the trim above the cab was a total mess - all three were fixed this week.  We’re still awaiting replacement of the blind on the front rooflight (it won’t shut) then fingers crossed the snagging is all sorted.  In fairness, it was a demo van so most of our snags have probably been caused by the general public poking and prodding!
Thanks for the information, I’ve just ordered an Aldi lightboard and hubby is going to have a crawl under the van tomorrow and see what he can find connection-wise then he’ll email AS.  We have a very good local independent garage who looked after our previous van for many years so we’ll probably ask them to connect it up for us.
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Post by Page Turner on Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:20 pm

So.. hubby has found the connector, has got the part we need on order from AS, and having seen the lie of the land so to speak is confident he can connect it himself.  The lightboard hasn’t arrived yet but hubby thinks we will need to buy a 13 to 7 pin adapter (or 7 to 13 pin, can’t remember which - good job he’s on it!). These are only about a fiver on amazon.
A big thank you to Caraman, and indeed this forum, the knowledge gained here is saving us a fortune.
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Post by Paramedic on Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 pm

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It will be a while before we’re able to take our bikes in any case, because we got rear-ended after only having the van 5 weeks (we’re 90% sure the driver was on the phone but can’t prove it)  It’s probably going to be the end of the year before it’s sorted, the whole rear panel needs replacing and they don’t keep them as spares so we have to wait for a manufacturing run.  
So sorry your van was shunted from the rear and the damage caused. Assume you have other driver's details and was the police involved? Any likelihood other driver was using a mobile phone at the time of the RTC can be investigated by police. As regard replacement of whole rear panel, there may be an opportunity to have the cycle carrier mounted higher to mitigate obstructing rear lights. This may be feasible if extra bonding is built into the rear panel to support Fiamma cycle carrier plus loading up to 60kg. Regards.

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Post by Caraman on Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:51 pm

That's a nice accolade.  All the lighting board electrics should be based on 12N cable and connectors which have 7 x 12 volt wires/pins/sockets for the rear road lights only.  This should include the fog lamp but it excludes the reversing light.  13 x 12 volt wires/pins/sockets are generally only for towing caravans which in addition to the normal trailer road lights have supplementary 12 volt needs for a fridge, battery charging and internal lights.  I haven't seen my AS connecting cable yet but I would be surprised if the Nuevo's harness and therefore the connecting cable are configured for 13 pin towing electrics as the Nuevo is unlikely to tow a caravan. Rear lighting boards normally only have 12N cabling and plugs.  This is certainly the case for the Aldi lighting board and all others I have seen.
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