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Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:33 pm
Hi there,
We need extra storage (for sure!) but The Boss hates tents with a passion and doesn't particularly like the designs available for "drive-away" awnings.
So, as "Petal" already has a Fiamma 45 Super awning fitted, we are considering adding a Fiamma Privacy Room for the summer.
Simple questions really:
1) Has anyone bought one?
2) If so, are you happy with it?
3) Where did you get it and was it a good deal?
Best regards,
We need extra storage (for sure!) but The Boss hates tents with a passion and doesn't particularly like the designs available for "drive-away" awnings.
So, as "Petal" already has a Fiamma 45 Super awning fitted, we are considering adding a Fiamma Privacy Room for the summer.
Simple questions really:
1) Has anyone bought one?
2) If so, are you happy with it?
3) Where did you get it and was it a good deal?
Best regards,
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by stevomar Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:59 pm
Hi Dutto - How's tricks
Never seen a Fiamma Privacy room actually up (I presume you mean the Front and Sides you add onto a wind out awning) but my mate had one with his Trident and I saw it folded up in the bag and thought it to be quite a bulk to carry round - But if you don't mind that they seem a good idea.
When it was red hot on the Ardeche a few years back we just taped a couple of those raffetta beach mats to either side of the wind out awning to get some shade `!!!
Cheers
Stevo
Never seen a Fiamma Privacy room actually up (I presume you mean the Front and Sides you add onto a wind out awning) but my mate had one with his Trident and I saw it folded up in the bag and thought it to be quite a bulk to carry round - But if you don't mind that they seem a good idea.
When it was red hot on the Ardeche a few years back we just taped a couple of those raffetta beach mats to either side of the wind out awning to get some shade `!!!
Cheers
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:00 pm
Stevo,
It's a full enclosure with the front section sliding into the channel on the front of the awning. ("Yes." I was surprised to find that I had one as well!)
With regard to "bulk" we tow a boat on most summer trips and the next purchase will be a Trailer so we won't be too worried about that - as long as it is easy to put up and "fit for purpose" in a typical British summer!
Best regards,
It's a full enclosure with the front section sliding into the channel on the front of the awning. ("Yes." I was surprised to find that I had one as well!)
With regard to "bulk" we tow a boat on most summer trips and the next purchase will be a Trailer so we won't be too worried about that - as long as it is easy to put up and "fit for purpose" in a typical British summer!
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by roli Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:52 pm
Think Privacy rooms heavy and bulky, have you considered a Windbreaker much lighter and more compact. There is one illustrated on our Windsor in my avatar.
Have you considered a free standing compact to travel unit such as a Kyham Spare Room (12kg inc frame etc), which we used prior to getting the windbreaker. Kept the chairs, bikes in there also ok for drying towels etc also good pitch marker when you go off site.
The photo of ours with our last van.
Have you considered a free standing compact to travel unit such as a Kyham Spare Room (12kg inc frame etc), which we used prior to getting the windbreaker. Kept the chairs, bikes in there also ok for drying towels etc also good pitch marker when you go off site.
The photo of ours with our last van.
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:21 pm
Hi there,
It looks like the general feeling is that the Fiamma Privacy Room is "heavy and bulky" and "difficult to erect".
These factors, hopefully, wouldn't be a problem for us because when we are touring:
1). We will be towing a trailer or a boat. and,
2). We usually overnight in lay-by's or service stations until we get to our destination; and then stay for a minimum of a week.
We had a look at the Mesh Windbreaker as an alternative and it got some support from Helen ("If it makes you happy!" to be precise
) but I'm not keen on the "see-through" aspect.
Not to worry, there's plenty of time before we have to decide so we will keep checking out any suggestions.
Many thanks and best regards,
It looks like the general feeling is that the Fiamma Privacy Room is "heavy and bulky" and "difficult to erect".
These factors, hopefully, wouldn't be a problem for us because when we are touring:
1). We will be towing a trailer or a boat. and,
2). We usually overnight in lay-by's or service stations until we get to our destination; and then stay for a minimum of a week.
We had a look at the Mesh Windbreaker as an alternative and it got some support from Helen ("If it makes you happy!" to be precise
) but I'm not keen on the "see-through" aspect.Not to worry, there's plenty of time before we have to decide so we will keep checking out any suggestions.
Many thanks and best regards,
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by burlingtonboaby Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:34 am
Dutto wrote:Hi there,
It looks like the general feeling is that the Fiamma Privacy Room is "heavy and bulky" and "difficult to erect".
These factors, hopefully, wouldn't be a problem for us because when we are touring:
1). We will be towing a trailer or a boat. and,
2). We usually overnight in lay-by's or service stations until we get to our destination; and then stay for a minimum of a week.
We had a look at the Mesh Windbreaker as an alternative and it got some support from Helen ("If it makes you happy!" to be precise
Not to worry, there's plenty of time before we have to decide so we will keep checking out any suggestions.
Many thanks and best regards,
Good morning Mr Duetto
I hope you are feeling better after your recent tummy troubles and still having a great holiday.
I had 2.5mtr Privacy room fitted to my T5 lwb and found it a doubled the space, down side for us was space needed to carry everything.
We had a Movelite XL Pro driveaway awning on the Symbol, 3x3 mtrs outside space, carried that in the Fiamma box on the rear door.down side was, not very stable in high winds.
We have Lillypad mesh screens at the moment, having decided not to fit a extra large side paneled version of the Omni awing required to fit the recessed awning on the 09 Nuevo.
This chap who we meet at one of the shows, came up to Brid via Hull and fitted bike racks, awnings etc, www.hillviewawnings.co.uk
Hope this has been some help to you, minus 4 here in Brid.
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by andygump Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:28 am
Hi Ian
Look on Ebay, usually quite a few on there, indicating that they are not too popular!!
My previous van was a Duetto, which came with 3 (yes 3) awnings and loads of other extras. One of the awnings was a Privacy Room, which weighed a ton and took up half the van in storage space. So I sold it on Ebay
I use a system like Roli has. I bought a lightweight Dome Tent from Millets, for Bikes, Scooter, BBQ, if we are stayng for more than a couple of nights, and only weighs about a quarter, costs about a quarter, and takes up about quarter of the Privacy Room I think the Privacy Rooms a more suited to the Caravanners way of life, who tend to be more static, once they are set up
Anyway "One mans Awning"etc
Cheers Andy
PS Got a Skype from my Son the other day, who is staying down your way(Nerja), saying they had been sunbathing on the beach that day
Last night he phoned from the Sierra Navada sayng the snow had arrived. You kept quiet about that 
Andy
Look on Ebay, usually quite a few on there, indicating that they are not too popular!!
My previous van was a Duetto, which came with 3 (yes 3) awnings and loads of other extras. One of the awnings was a Privacy Room, which weighed a ton and took up half the van in storage space. So I sold it on Ebay
I use a system like Roli has. I bought a lightweight Dome Tent from Millets, for Bikes, Scooter, BBQ, if we are stayng for more than a couple of nights, and only weighs about a quarter, costs about a quarter, and takes up about quarter of the Privacy Room I think the Privacy Rooms a more suited to the Caravanners way of life, who tend to be more static, once they are set up
Anyway "One mans Awning"etc
Cheers Andy
PS Got a Skype from my Son the other day, who is staying down your way(Nerja), saying they had been sunbathing on the beach that day
Last night he phoned from the Sierra Navada sayng the snow had arrived. You kept quiet about that Andy
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:33 am
Andy,
SNOW?? Not here south of Alicante; although it did rain for an hour or so last night.
At this very moment sat in the sun with iPad in hand and whisky to hand. (Tummy now settled down - but testing to ensure that it wasn't a sudden attack of "alcohol intolerance"!!)
On the awning front - the main gripes against the Privacy Room seem to be weight and bulk (which are not problems when towing a trailer) and difficulty of erection (again not a problem as "Helen, stick the awning up please while I pour the drinks." springs to mind!!)
So far, no-one has criticised the build quality or it's ability to stay up in a gale so it's still out there as a "probable".
Best regards, (snow indeed!!!)
SNOW?? Not here south of Alicante; although it did rain for an hour or so last night.
At this very moment sat in the sun with iPad in hand and whisky to hand. (Tummy now settled down - but testing to ensure that it wasn't a sudden attack of "alcohol intolerance"!!)
On the awning front - the main gripes against the Privacy Room seem to be weight and bulk (which are not problems when towing a trailer) and difficulty of erection (again not a problem as "Helen, stick the awning up please while I pour the drinks." springs to mind!!)
So far, no-one has criticised the build quality or it's ability to stay up in a gale so it's still out there as a "probable".
Best regards, (snow indeed!!!)
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:24 pm
burlingtonboaby wrote:........ down side was, not very stable in high winds.
That's removed one from the equation then!
Couple of weeks back the awning on the caravan at the back of "Petal" was picked up by the wind and thrown all the way over the top! One of the poles was dragged with it and it smacked into "Petal" and knocked a hole in the small top window!! Apparently it will cost me somewhere around £360 to replace the window!
In fairness to the awning manufacturer it was gusting up to Force 6 or 7 and the twonk that owned the caravan had secured it to the ground with SIX thin metal pegs!!
What we are looking for just has to be stable as I'm getting too old to be leaping about in my shreddies at 2am frantically trying to save an awning! (Also, it scares the neighbours!)
Best regards,
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by burlingtonboaby Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:31 pm
Dutto wrote:burlingtonboaby wrote:........ down side was, not very stable in high winds.
That's removed one from the equation then!
Couple of weeks back the awning on the caravan at the back of "Petal" was picked up by the wind and thrown all the way over the top! One of the poles was dragged with it and it smacked into "Petal" and knocked a hole in the small top window!! Apparently it will cost me somewhere around £360 to replace the window!
In fairness to the awning manufacturer it was gusting up to Force 6 or 7 and the twonk that owned the caravan had secured it to the ground with SIX thin metal pegs!!
What we are looking for just has to be stable as I'm getting too old to be leaping about in my shreddies at 2am frantically trying to save an awning! (Also, it scares the neighbours!)
Best regards,
Hi Dutto,
The user instructions with the XL pro does state, avoid erecting in the wind,once up they are pretty strong
as long as you purchase your own pegs and add extra storm straps, ours got torn at the corner stitching
attached to the awning, during a storm last summer in Barmouth.
The privacy rooms are strong enough to hold up againist most winds,again purchase some decent pegs and strong storm straps to hold the corners down.
Enjoy looking for your Awning, static or Driveaway.
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Ramblingon Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:50 pm
Just one more point I feel I should remind every one of- "Sleepless nights"!!
You know they say it will still be there in the morning! but the sounds of the wind toying with your mind body and wallet are just going to give you a heart attack! Take my advice and go light -remove and wind in -and rest easy. Much harder to do with the Fiamma privacy.
You know they say it will still be there in the morning! but the sounds of the wind toying with your mind body and wallet are just going to give you a heart attack! Take my advice and go light -remove and wind in -and rest easy. Much harder to do with the Fiamma privacy.
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:23 pm
Hi there,
I've been keeping an eye on six Privacy Rooms on site here.
They are all strapped down and have all survived the winds that blew the caravan awning up and over into "Petal" at the start of the year.
I have two tie-down kits and 20 steel storm pegs on my "List of things to get!" no matter what we finish up with. Plus, if we get a Privacy Room, I intend to make a couple of aluminium plates (with holes for four pegs each) to make sure that the awning legs don't lift without removing a sizeable chunk of terra firma if they do!!
I'm sure that we will have a "blow" before we leave here next month - and if we do I will be out there monitoring progress!! (I've already removed two options. 1. The one with zipped side panels; because we don't have a zip on the awning. and 2. The ones where the side panels are held on with what looks like welding clamps; because they look a mess!)
Best regards,
I've been keeping an eye on six Privacy Rooms on site here.
They are all strapped down and have all survived the winds that blew the caravan awning up and over into "Petal" at the start of the year.
I have two tie-down kits and 20 steel storm pegs on my "List of things to get!" no matter what we finish up with. Plus, if we get a Privacy Room, I intend to make a couple of aluminium plates (with holes for four pegs each) to make sure that the awning legs don't lift without removing a sizeable chunk of terra firma if they do!!
I'm sure that we will have a "blow" before we leave here next month - and if we do I will be out there monitoring progress!! (I've already removed two options. 1. The one with zipped side panels; because we don't have a zip on the awning. and 2. The ones where the side panels are held on with what looks like welding clamps; because they look a mess!)
Best regards,
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:01 pm
ade700 wrote:foot plate
I knew there would be a technical term for it!!
This is the man that wanted to join a 1" pipe to a 2" pipe and went to the stores to ask for a "one inch to two inch increaser."
The Storeman sucked his teeth and denied having any. "But I had one out of stores yesterday!" I replied.
He still denied having any - but as I was walking out the door he did ask "Will a two inch to one inch reducer do the job, 'cos I have hundreds of those?"
and 
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by burlingtonboaby Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:40 pm
Dutto wrote:Hi there,
I've been keeping an eye on six Privacy Rooms on site here.
They are all strapped down and have all survived the winds that blew the caravan awning up and over into "Petal" at the start of the year.
I have two tie-down kits and 20 steel storm pegs on my "List of things to get!" no matter what we finish up with. Plus, if we get a Privacy Room, I intend to make a couple of aluminium plates (with holes for four pegs each) to make sure that the awning legs don't lift without removing a sizeable chunk of terra firma if they do!!
I'm sure that we will have a "blow" before we leave here next month - and if we do I will be out there monitoring progress!! (I've already removed two options. 1. The one with zipped side panels; because we don't have a zip on the awning. and 2. The ones where the side panels are held on with what looks like welding clamps; because they look a mess!)
Best regards,
Hi Duetto
Looks like its the clip system you may may require? the welding clips I think are for the Omnistor privacy rooms, the Omni residence room is the most expence one I think?
Fiamma have a privacy room Lite,also with the clip system, correct me if I'm wrong but I think you can add the Omnistor awning systems to a Fiamma awning.
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by LobbyLudd Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:06 pm
More than happy with our solution in creating an enclosed Fiamma 'room' 3 years ago onto our Fiamma F45 awning. It has been relatively easy and quick to configure/dismantle (we have regularly used it if on site for 2 days or more giving good flexibility in using 1-2 or 3 individual walls according to prevailing weather conditions.
Purchased from a Fiamma dealer what was described at the time as Fiamma 'Proffessional' series ready made front and 2 end 'Blocker' walls. The front slides in groove and has a nice big pvc window full width. Chose one end with a matching window, t'other end completely solid material (can also give a bit of privacy if wanted.Matching Grey strong gauge nylon canvas stuff) The ends are interchangeable and are supported by the good quality telescopic poles that are ordered to go with the blocker end panels ( twist lock when at the correct length) all are pinned down with supplied pegs and elasticated ties.
Also bought the telescopic centre 'rafter' With all these 3 cross rafters combined the result is very rigid. Always finish off with a tie down if any strong wind about. There are also a number of white plastic clips for sealing the edges of the roof material to the round telescopic end poles.
What I consider the most useful 'modification' was to remove the series of fiddly ribbon type tying straps (for securing corners of walls to the awning upright poles )and replaced them by stitching on velcro strip ties for rapid ease of entry exit.
All poles go into my secure 'upvc plastic pipe holder' c/w with screw end caps fixed across the towbar frame on the rear of the van. All blocker ends quickly go into a bag that neatly acts as a foot rest for my wife when in the 'navigation' or 'riding shotgun' passenger seat
Purchased from a Fiamma dealer what was described at the time as Fiamma 'Proffessional' series ready made front and 2 end 'Blocker' walls. The front slides in groove and has a nice big pvc window full width. Chose one end with a matching window, t'other end completely solid material (can also give a bit of privacy if wanted.Matching Grey strong gauge nylon canvas stuff) The ends are interchangeable and are supported by the good quality telescopic poles that are ordered to go with the blocker end panels ( twist lock when at the correct length) all are pinned down with supplied pegs and elasticated ties.
Also bought the telescopic centre 'rafter' With all these 3 cross rafters combined the result is very rigid. Always finish off with a tie down if any strong wind about. There are also a number of white plastic clips for sealing the edges of the roof material to the round telescopic end poles.
What I consider the most useful 'modification' was to remove the series of fiddly ribbon type tying straps (for securing corners of walls to the awning upright poles )and replaced them by stitching on velcro strip ties for rapid ease of entry exit.
All poles go into my secure 'upvc plastic pipe holder' c/w with screw end caps fixed across the towbar frame on the rear of the van. All blocker ends quickly go into a bag that neatly acts as a foot rest for my wife when in the 'navigation' or 'riding shotgun' passenger seat
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by Dutto Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:59 pm
Thanks for that.
Looks like a pukka Fiamma Privacy Room will be the way we will go - after renewing the fabric of the existing awning.
Many, many thanks to all who have contributed to his thread.
It's been very interesting to read the pros and cons of the situation and then resolving them to our own plans and needs.
Thanks again,
Looks like a pukka Fiamma Privacy Room will be the way we will go - after renewing the fabric of the existing awning.
Many, many thanks to all who have contributed to his thread.
It's been very interesting to read the pros and cons of the situation and then resolving them to our own plans and needs.
Thanks again,
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:30 pm
Hi there,
My goodness!! It is really hard to spend money in the UK!!
We went to a Dealer and said "We want to buy a Fiamma Privacy Room for our awning."
Much sucking of teeth and flicking through a Fiamma Brochure reveals:
A) Fiamma DO NOT MAKE a Privacy Room that fits BOTH a F45 S x 3m awning AND the relevant height for a Duetto!
B) Replacing the slightly worn and ripped material on the original awning will be "MUCH MORE" expensive than buying a new awning.
So, we ordered a new 2.5 metre awning and a suitably sized Privacy Room - on 3rd July 2012.
We enquired today when we could get it fitted and received the reply "I haven't ordered it yet!"
I didn't know Helen knew language like that but I am assured that the Dealer now realises that we will not be returning to do business with him!!
Also, on another tack, the same Dealer quoted £2,800 to replace three corroded wings on "Petal"! We may be being optimistic but I don't think even Helen realised that I knew such language either!!
So, back to square one and now looking at one of those "net" awnings to hang on the original, slightly damaged, Fiamma 45.
Any thoughts out there? Especially if you know any company around York or north of there.
Best regards,
Ian
My goodness!! It is really hard to spend money in the UK!!
We went to a Dealer and said "We want to buy a Fiamma Privacy Room for our awning."
Much sucking of teeth and flicking through a Fiamma Brochure reveals:
A) Fiamma DO NOT MAKE a Privacy Room that fits BOTH a F45 S x 3m awning AND the relevant height for a Duetto!
B) Replacing the slightly worn and ripped material on the original awning will be "MUCH MORE" expensive than buying a new awning.
So, we ordered a new 2.5 metre awning and a suitably sized Privacy Room - on 3rd July 2012.
We enquired today when we could get it fitted and received the reply "I haven't ordered it yet!"
I didn't know Helen knew language like that but I am assured that the Dealer now realises that we will not be returning to do business with him!!
Also, on another tack, the same Dealer quoted £2,800 to replace three corroded wings on "Petal"! We may be being optimistic but I don't think even Helen realised that I knew such language either!!
So, back to square one and now looking at one of those "net" awnings to hang on the original, slightly damaged, Fiamma 45.
Any thoughts out there? Especially if you know any company around York or north of there.
Best regards,
Ian
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by Guest Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:03 am
Hi Ian,
Do you mean the side and front sun/wind nets?
We 'inherited' ours with the 'van, they're made by Lillypad, (Google it) and come in a small cloth bag.
2 blue side/end sections + front, which slides on the Fiamma front rail and 2 extending poles for the side bits.
All I had to buy was pegs to hold the bottoms to the ground.
Used successfully 2 days ago in the 'unseasonable' sunshine.
Mike D
Do you mean the side and front sun/wind nets?
We 'inherited' ours with the 'van, they're made by Lillypad, (Google it) and come in a small cloth bag.
2 blue side/end sections + front, which slides on the Fiamma front rail and 2 extending poles for the side bits.
All I had to buy was pegs to hold the bottoms to the ground.
Used successfully 2 days ago in the 'unseasonable' sunshine.
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Re-Fiamma privacy room/wind blocker
by burlingtonboaby Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:17 am
Dutto wrote:Hi there,
My goodness!! It is really hard to spend money in the UK!!
We went to a Dealer and said "We want to buy a Fiamma Privacy Room for our awning."
Much sucking of teeth and flicking through a Fiamma Brochure reveals:
A) Fiamma DO NOT MAKE a Privacy Room that fits BOTH a F45 S x 3m awning AND the relevant height for a Duetto!
B) Replacing the slightly worn and ripped material on the original awning will be "MUCH MORE" expensive than buying a new awning.
So, we ordered a new 2.5 metre awning and a suitably sized Privacy Room - on 3rd July 2012.
We enquired today when we could get it fitted and received the reply "I haven't ordered it yet!"
I didn't know Helen knew language like that but I am assured that the Dealer now realises that we will not be returning to do business with him!!
Also, on another tack, the same Dealer quoted £2,800 to replace three corroded wings on "Petal"! We may be being optimistic but I don't think even Helen realised that I knew such language either!!
So, back to square one and now looking at one of those "net" awnings to hang on the original, slightly damaged, Fiamma 45.
Any thoughts out there? Especially if you know any company around York or north of there.
Best regards,
Ian
Hi Ian
Further to my p.m to you, lillypad have an E-bay shop and advertising from Spalding moor with one size of wind blockers, item number 140296028997, however if you require a bespoke set, then link onto their windblockers website, as per the p.m to you.
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Privacy rooms
by murph Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:27 am
Hi Dutto,
Have you considered wind blockers from Lillypad Leisure, though they are not very private being made from very fine mesh flyscreen material, they do pack up very small, and at shows they advertise them as windproof with a 2ft diameter fan blowing on them. this may mean you dont have to tow a trailer.
Brian2
Have you considered wind blockers from Lillypad Leisure, though they are not very private being made from very fine mesh flyscreen material, they do pack up very small, and at shows they advertise them as windproof with a 2ft diameter fan blowing on them. this may mean you dont have to tow a trailer.
Brian2
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Re: Fiamma Privacy Room
by Dutto Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:06 pm
Hi there Bob and Brian,
Yep! It is definitely Wind Blockers that I was thinking of and we will drop in on our way past Macclesfield in about three weeks to pick up a set.
With regard to the trailer - we will still need it for the chairs, table, windbreaks, groundsheets, washing machine, hosepipe, drainage pipe etc.
Also, we bought the "625kgs" model from Erdre on the basis that the "stuff" only weighs about 200kgs and that leaves a slight margin of capacity to use for wine and spirits when we return from Spain!!!
Many thanks and best regards,
Ian
Yep! It is definitely Wind Blockers that I was thinking of and we will drop in on our way past Macclesfield in about three weeks to pick up a set.
With regard to the trailer - we will still need it for the chairs, table, windbreaks, groundsheets, washing machine, hosepipe, drainage pipe etc.
Also, we bought the "625kgs" model from Erdre on the basis that the "stuff" only weighs about 200kgs and that leaves a slight margin of capacity to use for wine and spirits when we return from Spain!!!
Many thanks and best regards,
Ian
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