I am considering a 97 Clubman 2 berth

Hello all,

Great forum and very pleased to have found it

Formerly a dyed in the wool Ford motorhomer, my last being a rimor on a 94 transit chassis which was appallingly underpowered (non turbo) and bloated overweight single wheel. Not to mention a rust bucket underneath.

I am considering a 97 Clubman 2 berth which on paper sounds pretty good at £6k But I have a few questions if I might seek some advice from you guys?

1: Any problems I should know about with this model before I go and take a look?
2: Any damp issues?
3: weight and power issues? I am just a plodder anyway so speed isnt that much of an issue, but I would like it to do 50/60 with ease and without needing earmuffs.
4: Whats involved in changing the cupboard space above the cab, into another bed?
5: MPG any good on a cruise?
6: Would fitting an awning be difficult/expensive? It's nice to have a slide out one ready to go, but not critical.

All other advice would be really much appreciated.

Thank You.

Very few problems with dampness but check below the beds for water ingress from the side window seals.

The 2.4 non turbo won't be a lot nippier than the Ford but should be a helluva lot quieter. The 2.5 turbo is a lovely motor and even lovelier when remapped

fFamma/Omnistor brackets just bolts through the shell in 3 places.

The T4 can get a bit rusty around the edges but I haven't seen serious structural problems.

The VWs are are a lot more economical than the Trannies. Generally speaking the monocoques dont suffer water ingress through the bodies. The 97 Clubman may well have the 2.5td 5 pot fitted which are great engines. If the not the 2.4 non turbo 5 pot should perform better than the old Tranny and as dandywarhol says it will be a lot quieter running.
Our 1st van was a 2.4 VW (not a Clubman, but not much bigger) and on motorways/ dual carriageways would happily return 35 mpg at around 60mph in 5th gear

Hi

A 97 Clubman @ £6000 I should be very wary indeed.

Andy

andygump wrote:Hi

A 97 Clubman @ £6000 I should be very wary indeed.

Andy

I agree with Andy - £6,000 for a 97 Clubman is around half the usual value - Ensure you carry out ALL the necessary checks before proceeding with the purchase or parting with any money.

Hi Clubman2013.

Welcome to the forum from Nottinghamshire. Sounds cheap but with luck it could be a right bargain.

Cheers. Whisky.

I've posted my feelings on the posters other post regarding the same....

https://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t7496-1997-clubman-24-diesel-any-concerns

whisky wrote:Hi Clubman2013.

Welcome to the forum from Nottinghamshire. Sounds cheap but with luck it could be a right bargain.

Cheers. Whisky.

He seems to have gone all coy now and hasnt answered the questions I posed yesterday so that fishy smell could be real. Oh well thats a shame as it's around my budget. Thanks for all your replies here and my other post.

Do you guys have any views on the Pollensa, Ravenna bodies, as they no longer class them as monoqoques but still look like they are. How do they compare with the likes of the clubman body which is a mono? Many seem to be on a Peugeot chassis, though I am not impressed with anything French beyond a few years old.

Hi Clubman2013.

Looks like you have called his bluff. I find that if things are to good to be true they usually are.

Still it's a shame for you, him getting your hopes up.

Good luck finding what your looking for.

Whisky.

Hi Clubman2013,

I was like you about anything 'French, completely anti, always had Transits, BUT after inquiries from those

who know better than me, I bit the bullet & bought a 98 2.5 Peugeot mono, best thing I did, its great,

NO rust whatever, its running before I let go of the key, OK, its a bit gutless (non-turbo) so I can only

comfortably cruise at 60 (sat-nav) but 'er-indoors prefers it that way as I tend to hammer the cars

modelman wrote:


Hi Clubman2013,

I was like you about anything 'French, completely anti, always had Transits, BUT after inquiries from those

who know better than me, I bit the bullet & bought a 98 2.5 Peugeot mono, best thing I did, its great,

NO rust whatever, its running before I let go of the key, OK, its a bit gutless (non-turbo) so I can only

comfortably cruise at 60 (sat-nav) but 'er-indoors prefers it that way as I tend to hammer the cars

Thnx. How long ago was that? What about servicing costs and MPG?

LOL you couldnt make it up....look what just crawled out of the woodwork
Mind you if you paid via paypal wouldnt that be covered against scams? (I know Ebay isnt)





On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:00 AM, wrote:


Hello,

Is this your van and registered to you, or are you a dealer. If so how long have you had it?

Any and if so, what is the service history?

Any faults at all?

How far have you been in the old gal?


Cheers

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Hello
I apologize for the delay, I'm in the military and that's why I couldn't reply in time. I don't have access to a phone, so we will communicate through e-mails. Anyway, thank you for your interest in buying my Camper Van... I was deployed yesterday in Gibraltar and I think I'll stay here for a while that's why I'm selling it so cheap. I intend to buy a new Camper Van when I'll get back home. I will use a third part to sell this Camper Van (PayPal or Escrow.com). Let me know if you are interested in a purchase. The Pollensa it got full service history no faults it runs and looks like new .
Thank You
Sgt. Florin Popesc

Now it's quite clearly a scam. Just tried to report it to the police. Dont even answer the phones these days. Tried Crimestoppers and they were absolutely clueless...asked for his name, which I dont have and then said thank you very much I will report it and hung up!!! I never even gave any information
does anyone even work for the public any more!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackson Robin
To: A cruce salus
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: EBAY - Auto-Sleeper Pollensa, 4 berth, (2003)



Hi again and sorry for the delay, Yes is registered on my name .
Before leaving I had prearranged shipping and the payment with PayPal (the most secure way to pay and get paid) so my presence isn't necessary(The Camper Van is at our 23 Engineer Regiment (Air Assault) ). The Logistic Department will deliver the Camper Van to your home. The price includes all the shipping costs and insurance, so you won't have to pay any extra charges. Since I work with the Army the delivery process is not an issue, I'll have the Camper Van shipped at your home address in maximum 2 days.
Here is what I suggest: we will use PayPal services, you'll make the payment in an PayPal managed account trust fund ( they'll hold the money until you'll receive the Camper Van ), I will send the Camper Van over( the Camper Van will be delivered with the owner's manual, service records, and of course the bill of sale authorized and signed by me),I will offer a 5 day period from the day you'll receive the Camper Van , you can inspect it, take it to a mechanic to check it out, drive it and then if you decided to keep it, you'll confirm to PayPal the sale and they will send the payment to me. If, by any reason, you will not be satisfied with it ( even though I can assure you that it is exactly as described), you can return it at my expense for a full refund of your money, no questions asked .Please note, that the return of my Camper Van will be made, only after you will get your deposit back. I think this is more than fair for the both of us.
The payment is refundable, and is just a security measure, to make sure that the buyer is serious, and that I am not going to ship the Camper Van, and loose time and money. Your payment is 100% covered, because I have open a Trust Account with PayPal and if something goes wrong, you will get a full refund from my account. If you are interested to go ahead with the deal, please reply with your full name, phone # and shipping address so I can ask PayPal to open a case! After, they will contact you explaining all the details regarding the payment.
I'm looking forward to hear from you.
Thank You




On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM, A cruce salus <Acrucesalus@reportage.plus.com> wrote:

Is it registered in your name on the log book?

Who is selling it for you now, and where is it located?

Who has the paperwork and service history?


----- Original Message -----
From: Jackson Robin
To: A cruce salus
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: EBAY - Auto-Sleeper Pollensa, 4 berth, (2003)


Hello
I apologize for the delay, I'm in the military and that's why I couldn't reply in time. I don't have access to a phone, so we will communicate through e-mails. Anyway, thank you for your interest in buying my Camper Van... I was deployed yesterday in Gibraltar and I think I'll stay here for a while that's why I'm selling it so cheap. I intend to buy a new Camper Van when I'll get back home. I will use a third part to sell this Camper Van (PayPal or Escrow.com). Let me know if you are interested in a purchase. The Pollensa it got full service history no faults it runs and looks like new .
Thank You
Sgt. Florin Popesc




On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:00 AM, A cruce salus <Acrucesalus@reportage.plus.com> wrote:


Hello,

Is this your van and registered to you, or are you a dealer. If so how long have you had it?

Any and if so, what is the service history?

Any faults at all?

How far have you been in the old gal?


Cheers

Finally got through to plod. They dont want to know. said report it to scambusters!! So even though you have a crime in progress no one wants to know. No wonder they reckon crime is going down, I can see no one bothers to report it any more. I certainly wont.

Looking online claiming to be in the military scam when selling a vehicle is rife too :(

Oh well back to the tent

Clubman2013 wrote:Now it's quite clearly a scam. Just tried to report it to the police. Dont even answer the phones these days. Tried Crimestoppers and they were absolutely clueless...asked for his name, which I dont have and then said thank you very much I will report it and hung up!!! I never even gave any information
does anyone even work for the public any more!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackson Robin
To: A cruce salus
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: EBAY - Auto-Sleeper Pollensa, 4 berth, (2003)



Hi again and sorry for the delay, Yes is registered on my name .
Before leaving I had prearranged shipping and the payment with PayPal (the most secure way to pay and get paid) so my presence isn't necessary(The Camper Van is at our 23 Engineer Regiment (Air Assault) ). The Logistic Department will deliver the Camper Van to your home. The price includes all the shipping costs and insurance, so you won't have to pay any extra charges. Since I work with the Army the delivery process is not an issue, I'll have the Camper Van shipped at your home address in maximum 2 days.
Here is what I suggest: we will use PayPal services, you'll make the payment in an PayPal managed account trust fund ( they'll hold the money until you'll receive the Camper Van ), I will send the Camper Van over( the Camper Van will be delivered with the owner's manual, service records, and of course the bill of sale authorized and signed by me),I will offer a 5 day period from the day you'll receive the Camper Van , you can inspect it, take it to a mechanic to check it out, drive it and then if you decided to keep it, you'll confirm to PayPal the sale and they will send the payment to me. If, by any reason, you will not be satisfied with it ( even though I can assure you that it is exactly as described), you can return it at my expense for a full refund of your money, no questions asked .Please note, that the return of my Camper Van will be made, only after you will get your deposit back. I think this is more than fair for the both of us.
The payment is refundable, and is just a security measure, to make sure that the buyer is serious, and that I am not going to ship the Camper Van, and loose time and money. Your payment is 100% covered, because I have open a Trust Account with PayPal and if something goes wrong, you will get a full refund from my account. If you are interested to go ahead with the deal, please reply with your full name, phone # and shipping address so I can ask PayPal to open a case! After, they will contact you explaining all the details regarding the payment.
I'm looking forward to hear from you.
Thank You




On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM, A cruce salus <Acrucesalus@reportage.plus.com> wrote:

Is it registered in your name on the log book?

Who is selling it for you now, and where is it located?

Who has the paperwork and service history?


----- Original Message -----
From: Jackson Robin
To: A cruce salus
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: EBAY - Auto-Sleeper Pollensa, 4 berth, (2003)


Hello
I apologize for the delay, I'm in the military and that's why I couldn't reply in time. I don't have access to a phone, so we will communicate through e-mails. Anyway, thank you for your interest in buying my Camper Van... I was deployed yesterday in Gibraltar and I think I'll stay here for a while that's why I'm selling it so cheap. I intend to buy a new Camper Van when I'll get back home. I will use a third part to sell this Camper Van (PayPal or Escrow.com). Let me know if you are interested in a purchase. The Pollensa it got full service history no faults it runs and looks like new .
Thank You
Sgt. Florin Popesc




On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:00 AM, A cruce salus <Acrucesalus@reportage.plus.com> wrote:


Hello,

Is this your van and registered to you, or are you a dealer. If so how long have you had it?

Any and if so, what is the service history?

Any faults at all?

How far have you been in the old gal?


Cheers

Exactly to plan. Hate to say it but 'I told you so'.