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Post by big'nuf on Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:56 pm

I have a 2013 Mercedes/AS Stanton with a MPW showing 3200 kg Gross.
Am I correct in thinking I can get this uprated?
I have downloaded the 2-page SVTech form....

Can anyone assist me with this?

Is this the correct form and who do I send it to?
Do I have to fill everything in?
Wheelbase?....where do I get this from?
Where will I find the relevant "plates" on the van that is needed for the info?

My vehicle is as standard except with an added towbar and air-bag suspension assisters on the rear. Do I need to mention any of this? If so, what information will I need to supply?
Or is it easier, or even possible, to uprate the weight without mentioning it?


What is the max weight I should be looking to uprate to?...I am guessing 3500 kg?

Is there a cost involved?

Any info would be appreciated....with thanks. Les
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by PLOUGHLIN on Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:38 pm

If you put your VIN no. into this link it will give the original MB build information, including the build weight rating and wheelbase. http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes

The MB weight plate is on the side of the driver's seat base, there should be a AS weight plate on the driver's door B pillar. You mention a tow bar is fitted. Peter Brown has posted in the Towing Corinium thread, that AS state that the MB chassis is not type approved by them after conversion for towing. Does your AS weight plate show a GTW value, the second space down on the plate. See this thread for pictures and the AS statement. http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t20566-corinium-towbar#173945

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:17 pm

Thanks Pete, not really sure what any of the towbar discussion is on about?...Im not a mechanic or technician....didnt mean anything to me?....
If the GTW value is the 5880 bit that you are on about, then yes I have that on my plate.....

Regarding your first sentence, build weight rating....are you suggesting that if it states 3200 then I cannot get it increased above that?....

Has anyone ever applied for an upgrade in weight to 3500?...if so, I wouldn't mind some guidance in how to do it?

Les


PS, wish this was the only problems Im having with this 2013 Mercedes/Autosleeper, "Rolls Royce of motorhomes", "the ultimate combination" Pile of * Inappropriate Word * !!
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by PLOUGHLIN on Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:45 pm

Les, can't help with the SVtech upweighting.

The towing thing is about AS type approval. Inorder to legally tow both the MB and AS plates must show a GTW, the second figure on the plate.

You mention you have a 5880kg shown. Is this only on the MB plate or on both MB & AS plates. If the former then you can't legally tow anything.

If your plate shows 3200kg a sfirst figure I am surprised you have 5880kg as second figure. I would expect 5200kg, ie 2000kg tow limit.

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:14 pm

Thanks Peter,

Hi, you are correct, my figure on the mercedes plate is 5200, and no figure on the AS plate.
Spoke to AS today, they say it is fine to tow with my van, but will double check when the main man gets back from his holiday....usefull.
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by PLOUGHLIN on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:41 pm

If your AS plate has E11*2007/46*0170 under the Auto-sleeper name, it is type approved and without 5200kg on the plate it is illegal to tow.

See Peter Brown's posts (4 and 13) in this thread. http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t20566-corinium-towbar#174040

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by gemdeco on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:51 pm

Hi
    I do not seem to have an AS plate on my Surrey at all The MB plate states 5880 kg and that is good enough for me,you can worry too much
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by PLOUGHLIN on Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:12 pm

Are you sure? Should be on the B pillar door jamb side. Your 2008 willbe before Type Approval, so would say 5880kg anyway.

Some people do worry about staying within the law, some not. Just as well or the police won't have anything to do.

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by Redwink on Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:47 pm

Try under the bonnet, that is where my AS upgrade weight is
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:38 am

Ploughlin....and anyone else who can help?

I have put my vin number into the suggested website http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes) and although it produces a very helpful build list - I cannot find any details on rear leaf springs?

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by PLOUGHLIN on Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:20 am

Option C33 or C38? with uprated stabiliser?

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by Liam on Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:41 am

Les,
See my reply at;- http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t18042p25-merc-sprinter-seat-upgrade#174640
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:14 pm

This conversation crosses over with another I have....to follow on with this conversation look a   
thttp://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t18042-merc-sprinter-seat-upgrade
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:11 pm

How do I find out what the wheelbase is for my Stanton?
What brakes are fitted? front and rear, drum or disc?
Suspension type?

On the SVTech form, does axle 1 mean the front wheels, or as in rear wheels?
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by PLOUGHLIN on Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:38 pm

big'nuf wrote:How do I find out what the wheelbase is for my Stanton?
What brakes are fitted? front and rear, drum or disc?
Suspension type?

On the SVTech form, does axle 1 mean the front wheels, or as in rear wheels?

Did you look up your Build spec? http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes

Under Main Data, you will fing Sales Name. It will say something like -316 4x2 4325 . This is engine model 316, 4 wheesl x 2 driven wheels, Wheelbase in mm.

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:41 pm

Brilliant, thank you...it says 3250

Les

More news to come.......
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:35 pm

LATEST NEWS ON MY SPRINGS !!!

Just returned from Mercedes again...Insisted they visibly look at my springs again, find me the number on the springs, compare it with the build list, explain to me why the rear end is so low and why it is nearly touching the bump stops.

The technician returned stating the van is low at the rear, there is just a 3mm gam between the bump stop and axle, the numbers are only partially visible as he would have to remove the spring to see the number properly - and he had taken a picture of it...fair enough.

It turns out the few numbers recognisable definitely do not match the build recommendations and appears they have fitted the wrong springs after all.

The part number of the springs that should be fitted apparently should be; A 906 320 8706 (which superseded A 906 320 49 06).

He recommended changing the springs which would raise the rear end and make for a steadier ride...perfect!

He would not have any of this put in writing for me as he said he would need to remove my springs to see the whole number first...hmmm, ok?

The cost would be £300 per spring, plus VAT and the fitting charges...
He said as I bought the van from the original owner (who had done 3000 miles in it) it would be classed as second hand and out of warranty - thus Mercedes nor Autosleeper would be able to assist in any financial help....
This makes me furious as it was Mercedes that supplied it with the wrong springs and in my opinion rendering the van not fit for purpose and possibly dangerous even.

I guess my only option now is to source these springs from somewhere else and have them fitted myself at my own cost?

Anyone have any other ideas or thoughts? 
Or even recommend the cheapest/best place to acquire the springs?

On a positive note, I know whats wrong with my van now, lol
Thanks to Peter, Liam and everyone else for helping me with this...
Les

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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by Paramedic on Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:12 pm

Hi Les, and sorry this reply does not help you with regard to your frustration over the springs and your other aforesaid undisclosed problems. By comparison the seemingly much lesser problems we experienced almost pales into significance. Surprised to learn from the user manual of our then two year old van that change of ownership within the three year warranty, demands a fee of £100 to transfer any of the remaining warranty. Well that's rather a lot for what appears as nothing more than an administration fee? Fortunately, we were given 12 months cover (extended warranty) by the dealer that proved most valuable. Hope there is no long term disheartening to your enthusiasm for motorhoming. Regards

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Post by Liam on Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:21 pm

big'nuf wrote:LATEST NEWS ON MY SPRINGS !!!

Just returned from Mercedes again...Insisted they visibly look at my springs again, find me the number on the springs, compare it with the build list, explain to me why the rear end is so low and why it is nearly touching the bump stops.

The technician returned stating the van is low at the rear, there is just a 3mm gam between the bump stop and axle, the numbers are only partially visible as he would have to remove the spring to see the number properly - and he had taken a picture of it...fair enough.

It turns out the few numbers recognisable definitely do not match the build recommendations and appears they have fitted the wrong springs after all.

The part number of the springs that should be fitted apparently should be; A 906 320 8706 (which superseded A 906 320 49 06).

He recommended changing the springs which would raise the rear end and make for a steadier ride...perfect!

He would not have any of this put in writing for me as he said he would need to remove my springs to see the whole number first...hmmm, ok?

The cost would be £300 per spring, plus VAT and the fitting charges...
He said as I bought the van from the original owner (who had done 3000 miles in it) it would be classed as second hand and out of warranty - thus Mercedes nor Autosleeper would be able to assist in any financial help....
This makes me furious as it was Mercedes that supplied it with the wrong springs and in my opinion rendering the van not fit for purpose and possibly dangerous even.

I guess my only option now is to source these springs from somewhere else and have them fitted myself at my own cost?

Anyone have any other ideas or thoughts? 
Or even recommend the cheapest/best place to acquire the springs?

On a positive note, I know whats wrong with my van now, lol
Thanks to Peter, Liam and everyone else for helping me with this...
Les

See reply at;- http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t18042p50-merc-sprinter-seat-upgrade-rear-suspension#174788
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:06 pm

Paramedic...
Well it'll be worth it all in the end I guess....
Your warranty issue sounds a bit of a rip-off but seems like you did ok with the extention.
Happy motor homing...
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Re: Uprating maximum weight on Stanton

Post by big'nuf on Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:39 pm

OMG!...here we go again lol

Spoke with AS...they confirm the spring should be a C33 (Harder twin-leaf)
Spoke with a different Mercedes dealer down south...They kindly cross referenced the spring numbers I had and told me the numbers are actually painted on the top of the springs in big letters..I took a look and, yes they are!
I actually have the correct springs fitted after all!
Goes to show those comlete idiots at Rygor Mercedes Gloucester have no idea what they are doing or talking about !
Which doesn't really help me as in I still have handling issues - but I know it isn't the springs now...No thanks to Rygor.
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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:44 pm

Are the springs actually twin leaf? Must have a look at mine when I am next at the van.

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Post by big'nuf on Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:47 pm

Yes, there are two curved springs...and no helper spring....as it should be
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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:20 pm

Ahh! DO you mean 2 springs eac side or single eac side.

See Jaytee's latest post http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t18042p50-merc-sprinter-seat-upgrade-rear-suspension#175153

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Post by big'nuf on Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:34 am

Defiantly 2 curved springs each side...

For full details see;   http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t18042p50-merc-sprinter-seat-upgrade-rear-suspension
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