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Post by groundhog Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:53 pm

Not mine but a friends.

Small accident, he says it was the other person hit him as he was stopped at the time but here is the point.
The Audi in question had personal plates, he checked with his insurance company and the car was not shown as insured. I ran the registration through the DVLA site and the car was not shown as registered on that plate.
Further investigation revealed the car WAS insured but under the original number plate not the one displayed.
This was reported by him to the police and they were not in the least interested, "We might have a word and suggest he rectifies the situation if we have time"
Now is it just me but what if that driver had killed someone, committed a serious offence or even just been driving though an emission zone.

I have a few number plates in the garage so thinking about just randomly fitting one to the car as a guarantee against charges! think_smiley_46 The police don't seem to be bothered!
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Post by Dbvwt Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:37 pm

I was watching ‘Police Interceptors’ on TV a couple of years back GH.
3 guys stole a powerful BMW, a high speed chase began which involved taking out parked cars and the roundabout they finally crashed into. There were drugs found in the car and I thought these guys are going down for a long time.
At the end of the program it was revealed that all 3 basically got off with a slapped wrist.
Nothing surprises me after that and to this day I can’t watch those type of programs.
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Post by bikeralw Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:04 pm

A few years ago I had a knock on the door at about 9pm. We were surprised to find a uniformed police officer standing there. He asked me to confirm my name then informed me my Honda motorbike was in a police compound in Liverpool 60 miles away, having been recovered after a police chase, the thieves were in custody and there was moderate damage to the bike.. Could I arrange to pick it up as they charge by the day for storage..
To say I was shocked was an understatement... I opened my locked garage door to show him my bike was safe and secure...
To cut a long story short, I had several more visits from the police, who inspected my bike's frame and engine numbers before eventually concluding the identical bike in Liverpool was the clone, not mine... 
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Post by Roopert Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:29 pm

I guess it's an argument for every car to be required by law to carry a unique transponder, which can be used to identify the car remotely when needed. These days it should be possible to make them very very hard to fake or interfere with. But would we tolerate that?
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Post by groundhog Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:38 pm

Not sure how it is in NZ Al but in Canada the car doesn't have a registration it is the person that has it. Every year you get a new insurance sticker to go on the plate. There is no Mot.
No problem with cloned plates but sometimes the insurance stickers get stolen. You can only get insurance from one source and it costs telephone numbers compared to here.
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Post by rgermain Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:34 pm

groundhog wrote:Not sure how it is in NZ Al but in Canada the car doesn't have a registration it is the person that has it. Every year you get a new insurance sticker to go on the plate. There is no Mot.
No problem with cloned plates but sometimes the insurance stickers get stolen. You can only get insurance from one source and it costs telephone numbers compared to here.
Yes my old work mate who now lives in Ottawa, winds me up about no MOT and our road tax.
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Post by bikeralw Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:40 pm

groundhog wrote:Not sure how it is in NZ Al but in Canada the car doesn't have a registration it is the person that has it. Every year you get a new insurance sticker to go on the plate. There is no Mot.
No problem with cloned plates but sometimes the insurance stickers get stolen. You can only get insurance from one source and it costs telephone numbers compared to here.
Strange how different countries keep track of vehicles. NZ registration plates stay with the vehicle the same as here, and an annual tax is paid. However insurance is a voluntary thing!
 As for MoT's, or WOF as they're called there, until they recently went annual, they were required every six months! Added to that a separate WOF is required for anything that's towed... something that should be taken up by our government I think...
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Post by Lorfal Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:58 pm

So, my tuppenceworth.... my van got hit whilst stopped. I pulled in on a country road with no white lines....to let a truck pass. It’s a road close to my home, I knew how to drive it. The other driver hit the rear of the  van taking off the gas exhaust and tail lights. So long story short - I phoned police , the truck didn’t stop. They didn’t want to know....they said it was an insurance job and they would not entertain me. I said NO . It is not their job to decide if a crime has been committed.....it is for the CPS to do that ( I took advice ) . So I went back to the police.....with this and before I knew it they were all over it.

The CPS took it to court and the driver was found guilty of failing to stop , failing to report an accident and of  careless driving.

My van was off the road for 3 months! 

So  I know this isn’t a plate issue......what I’m saying is don’t let police tell you it’s not a crime!
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Post by Askit Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:18 pm

This appears to me to be a serious issue,  how else can we identify other vehicles apart from the the registration plate. It should not be left to us to establish or identify who committed an potential offence (as outlined in the op). I understand the constabulary may be overworked but, that's their bailiwick.

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Post by Paramedic Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:37 pm

To expand on Lorfal's point. 'If an accident takes place and either damage or personal injury is caused, then the other driver of the vehicle the time is required to stop at the scene of the accident and make him or herself available to anybody else who may need their details and insurance policy number. To fail to stop at the scene of an accident is an offence under section 170 of the Road Traffic Act 1998. Failing to report an accident is again another offence under section 170. These are two offences often said to go hand in hand and it's common to be summoned before the court for both offences. Whilst driving on the A31, an oncoming vehicle crossed the double white line to knock off our off-side mirror and didn't stop. Fortunately the dash cam provided all the evidence the police needed to investigate whereby the other driver was immediately dismissed by his employer. Unfortunately, our endeavour to see him summoned before the court, was lost due to lack of action by the police within the 6 month time limit.

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Post by oxford chris Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:17 pm

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Our police force are quite simply ' not fit for purpose ' and haven't been for a long time.
They are unable to prevent or solve crime ( over 90% of crimes remain unsolved year on year ) Knife crime in cities is rampant and rising. Cybercrime, scams and computer crime is entirely out of control.
Unless targeting motorists for minor infringements, " checking peoples thinking " investigating ' woke ' issues, kneeling to marxist activists or standing idly by whilst statues are torn down, the only thing they seem capable of is persecuting ordinary folk for so called ' breaking of Covid restrictions ' 
All the while police officers stand outside number 10 knowing full well what's going on inside and turn a blind eye.
Double standards is their mantra and boy are they good at that ! 
God help you if your house is burgled, property damaged or stolen or are attacked, mugged, or raped because they aren't interested. Pakistani rape gangs are condoned for decades, foxhunting continues despite the laughable ban(senior officers and members of the judiciary blatantly and regularly partaking) and don't get me started on our totally broken judicial system, it's a pathetic joke. Punishment no way fitting the crime means there's no deterrent to criminals and crime right across the board.
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Post by gassygassy Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:24 am

While inside my house there were 'crack - crack' noises on the window. It was dark and I thought kids were throwing stones so I went outside but I couldn't see anything. Next morning I found the plastic double glazing window frames were broken with extra-large air gun pellets lying around. I was previously told off by the Police for dialling 999 to report a burglary in progress next door (they said, quote: Burglary isn't much of a crime, we are not interested, you mustn't ring 999 except for a life and death emergency). So I thought that being shot at isn't much of an emergency, I'll call the local police station. I looke up the number in yellow pages.
 "Hello, what police station do you want?"
'The one which this number appears against in the phone book'
"well what's your address?"  - I told them
"I'll put you through".
Ring ring ring ring ring for 20 minutes. No answer, no answering machine. The exchange cuts you off after 20 mins of ringing.
I called the number again - the one that is that particular police station.
"Hello, what Police station do you want?"
'The one that this phone number is for'
"What is your address? . . . . . I'll put you through"
Ring ring ring ring ring for 20 minutes. No answer, no answering machine.
I called the number again - the one that is that particular police station.
"Hello, what Police station do you want?"
SHOUTY VOICE "I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO RING TONE FOR 20 MINUTES I WANT TO SPEAK TO A POLICEMAN"
"Well this is just a call centre, there are no Police here, I can only put you through to your nearest station"
This was a few years ago - I had a fax amchine so I sent them a fax:
'Dear Mr Policeman, I am being shot at. I can't ring 999 because I have been told off for doing that. When it's convenient for you could you call round? Thank you"
Nothing happened.
That morning my MP was in the local village hall so I went and told him. He said that's awful, I can do one of two things: If you want me to I can call the chief constable and he will be here in 15 minutes. But that doesn't tell me what happens to ordinary constituents. Here's my card, if you want  to let me know what happens write to me at the House of Commons.
A week and a day later, knock knock on my door, and Mr Policeman stood there. Their fax machine was on top of a filing cabinet and had the automatic paper cut feed, and my fax had fallen down behind the cabinet and they had just found it. He then proceeded to claim that the shots must have come from the 87 year old lady who lives across the road and hasn't been upstairs for 4 years. She apparently has a gun which fires through a 6ft thick hedge, and then the pellets turn round through 60 degrees in order to hit the window frames and break them. He and I knew perfectly well where they came from, the house occupied at 90 degrees to the broken frames, but that house is occupied by a gang of crooks, and if the Police went and knocked on their door, it would result in hospitalisation of the policeman. So they wouldn't do anything about it.
I wrote to my MP and as a result I got a stupid letter from the Chief Constable proclaiming what a wonderful force he has, and haven't the crime figured dropped under his command. I replied saying what I thought of him, and pointing out that the only reaso crime figures have dropped is that no one bothers to try to report a crime because a)it's impossible and b) even if they succeed, nothing is done.
There's no point reporting crimes, it's every man and woman for themselves.
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Post by IanH Wed Mar 02, 2022 8:38 am

Think you need a gun Gassy!! up!
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Post by gassygassy Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:00 am

Yes but it would be the usual story. I would go to jail, just as did the chap who wounded a burglar. Apparently according to the judge, the home owner was at fault because he kept a ladder hooked to the side of his garage. The burglar pinched the ladder and climbed up through a window into a house. The home owner caught the personage and in the struggle the burglar twisted his ankle, or banged his head in a doorway or something. The way our system works is that the burglar took the houseowner to court using public funds and got the home owner sent to jail. Obviously it wasn't the burglar's fault, he had nothing to do with it.
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Post by mikethebike Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:17 am

Is there a policeman or ex on the forum to give a reply?

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Post by groundhog Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:59 pm

Just spoke to the guy in my original post, van now repaired and claim made on other drivers insurance as eventually he admitted he was at fault and being on incorrect plates suspect he didn't want it to go any further. Police action nil.
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