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Post by peterpan44 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:26 am

Hi,
Thinking of buying a 2013 Mercedes Northants reg HX13ABV.
This has been written off in the past.
Does anyone know the vehicle and its history.
Thought I would post in case a previous owner was on this site.
Thank you.
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Post by burlingtonboaby on Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:06 am

Hi Peter
Welcome to the forum from Bridington 
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Post by peterpan44 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:31 am

Thank you Boaby. Sorry I cannot reply to any private messages. I cannot until I've posted 3 times.
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Post by Tinwheeler on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:28 pm

Hi, PP44. Here are a couple of websites you could try.

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Post by peterpan44 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:38 pm

Thank you Tinwheeler.
I already have all the info these 2 websites give me.
I'm looking for anyone that knew anything about this vehicle and the damage on the off chance they are still on this site.
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Post by inspiredron on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:52 pm

Possibly a fire damaged vehicle from Marquis Sussex fire - but I can't remember when that was.

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Post by peterpan44 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:06 pm

Thank you Inspiredron.
The buyer states it had front end damage and it does have the newer front end. So I believe it was involved in an accident at some point.
I would like to find out the exact date as that shows how long it has been back on the road. How many MOT's it has passed etc.
Maybe the owner was on here and posted about the accident but has since left the site?
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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:23 pm

Check MOT history [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Only did 4 miles between Mar 2018 and Mar 2019, so probably when it was being repaired? Mar 2019 no advisories, MOT will have been extended to Nov 2020 die to Covid.

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Post by rgermain on Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:28 pm

I expect you know this but, you can check MOT history on DVLA site. Also you can do a search and see what cat it was given.

I have always been advised against buying a cat vehicle as they may be hard to sell and insurance could be difficult, although it may have been repaired to the correct standard.
I don't know if this helps, but I would be very careful.
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Post by peterpan44 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:30 pm

Thank you Rgermain,
Its only a Cat D so not written off because there was any structural damage. Its normally because its uneconomical to repair. Their may have been £10,000 storage fee's while the parts are found along with £10,000 hire fees for a replacement motorhome while the original was being repaired. Other costs outside of the repair itself are often far higher.
That's why its important to speak to the person that had the accident. 
If a motorhome is 33% cheaper because its had minimal damage in the past then its just as easy to sell again at the 33% reduction.
My last 4 cars have all been Cat D write offs and I've never had a problem.
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Post by rgermain on Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:38 pm

peterpan44 wrote:Thank you Rgermain,
Its only a Cat D so not written off because there was any structural damage. Its normally because its uneconomical to repair. Their may have been £10,000 storage fee's while the parts are found along with £10,000 hire fees for a replacement motorhome while the original was being repaired. Other costs outside of the repair itself are often far higher.
That's why its important to speak to the person that had the accident. 
If a motorhome is 33% cheaper because its had minimal damage in the past then its just as easy to sell again at the 33% reduction.
My last 4 cars have all been Cat D write offs and I've never had a problem.
I wish you well. On Gumtree?
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Post by Paulmold on Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:04 pm

I just checked through the membership (you can list by model) and there have only been nine Northants registered and none of them have been 2013, so I doubt the previous owner was a member here.

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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:32 pm

Looks OK in the advert, except a cracked headlight and cracked front bumper, as described, on an expensive vehicle would not result in a Cat D write off. Replacement parts are easily available and relatively cheap, so probably more extensive damage?

Some Insurers refuse cover on Cat C (N) or Cat D (S) vehicles.

(S - short for structurally damaged) classification replaces Cat D.)

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Post by groundhog on Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:05 pm

On the face of it looks like a lot of van for the money, really like the fact it has the new front end, didn't know you could do that, wonder what that would cost! A friend sells cat D sports cars mainly Ferrari and Porsche and doesn't seem to have any trouble selling them on, some the damage is really minor. I too would be wary of insurance but the answer to that is easily sorted.
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Post by burlingtonboaby on Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:26 pm

There's an older one ,10 reg, at the SMC dealership in Bracknell. Going for £34995.
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Post by peterpan44 on Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:24 am

burlingtonboaby wrote:There's an older one ,10 reg, at the SMC dealership in Bracknell. Going for £34995.
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SMC also have a Boughton which I think is similar. 2014 more extra's for £45,000.
£45,000
-£5000 as a private sale
-£10,000 because its worth less as its a cat D (25% less)
= £30,000 which is what it made last week on Ebay but below the reserve.
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Post by gemdeco on Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:28 pm

Hi Peter
        I like your figures but I think they are optimistic, the average dealer will want look at a margin of £10.000 between buying and selling to allow for costs incurred , I have just trade a MH and know how little they offer , so take £10.000 off your £45.000 and then reduce the £35.000 by 25% CAT D reduction £8750.00 that gives you a figure of £26.250 so offers of about £30.000 is good but you still need for your own peace of mind is to find out why it was a cat D in the first place
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Post by peterpan44 on Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:50 pm

gemdeco wrote:Hi Peter
        I like your figures but I think they are optimistic, the average dealer will want look at a margin of £10.000 between buying and selling to allow for costs incurred , I have just trade a MH and know how little they offer , so take £10.000 off your £45.000 and then reduce the £35.000 by 25% CAT D reduction £8750.00 that gives you a figure of £26.250 so offers of about £30.000 is good but you still need for your own peace of mind is to find out why it was a cat D in the first place
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Hi Alan,
The £5000 is the difference between a private and a dealers price not what profit a dealer makes!
It made £30,100 last week on an Ebay auction and is already on £29,000 so its true value if sold private is in the low 30's.
Very rare a motorhome makes its true value on an Ebay auction.
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Post by rgermain on Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:40 pm

My old Dad used to say "You only get what you paid for, buy cheap get market ****"
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Post by peterpan44 on Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:28 pm

rgermain wrote:My old Dad used to say "You only get what you paid for, buy cheap get market ****"
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If only that was true in todays world.
I missed out on a Burstner i821 by 20 minutes for £45,000 3 weeks ago.
It was sold 10 days later by the person that paid £45,000. He sold it for £57,000.
There are many bargains that come up on Ebay its just being in the right place at the right time!
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Post by peterpan44 on Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:43 am

The motorhome auction was closed before it ended so I guess it was sold.
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