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Post by LDPD on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:14 pm

Thought I'd try loading our two ebikes on our new van today. Image taken from 5 meters back from the rear with camera at eye level, say ~5'6"
Whilst the new low loading position is great I can't help feeling this wouldn't be legal. I haven't put the reflector signal board on. The registration plate isn't visible underneath (fine for speed cameras!) and all the lights are on but you can't really see them. So it looks as though an additional lighting board will be required plus the related electrics. Sigh! Anyone else had an issue like this and how have you resolved it.  

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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:27 pm

Definitely illegal, number/lighting board required.

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Post by Heanorboy on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:31 pm

I have single 7 pin (Black) electrics on my van and a trailor board like this
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Post by LDPD on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:57 pm

Thanks All. I guess the disappointment lies in the fact that benefits of a low loading rack can only be taken when you've parted with more money. I wonder if the designer of this approach actually loaded some bikes and tried it out? I'm guessing not...

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Post by rgermain on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:38 pm

Might be cheaper than getting a fine or at the worse a rear end shunt if no lights showing.

I see so many chancers on the road with bike racks, cars and vans, with lights and number plates hidden.
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Post by Paramedic on Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:42 pm

Sorry for your dilemma, but was it your choice to have the carrier fitted so low? My question being in relation the Autosleepers instruction in your owner's manual. 'In order that a cycle rack can be fitted, the rear panel coach work has been strengthened accordingly. Timber is bonded into the bodywork immediately above the rear light units, laterally across the vehicle. This allows the lower mounting brackets for the Fiamma Pro C cycle rack to be fitted in a suitably reinforced area. Not wishing to cause further alarm, but if fitted as recommended, the problem with obscured rear lights and registration plate would not have arisen. Regards.

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Post by big'nuf on Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:46 pm

Only a tenner for a board...don't be so tight   smile!
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Post by LDPD on Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:53 pm

I know what the manual says - the mounting bars on the rear panel are there as standard. The cycle rack is then attached to these. The problem appears to be that you can't have a low loading rack with low lights as you can see in the picture I posted earlier. Interesting design conflict. The only way out that I can see is a lighting board on the end of the carrier.

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Post by bolero boy on Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:19 pm

If you left the cover off, could you see the lights and number plate then...?

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Post by LDPD on Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:26 pm

bolero boy wrote:If you left the cover off, could you see the lights and number plate then...?
Do you think I haven't thought of that? The number plate is obscured by the rack and the wheels line up with the lights as you can see from the shape of the cover.

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Post by LDPD on Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:34 pm

Thanks for the useful comments. Nothing further to discuss on this topic now.

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Post by rgermain on Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 pm

Another satisfied owner with comments from this excellent and informative forum.
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Post by harrysp on Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:49 pm

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Looking at the second photo in this review of the 2018 Bourton the fixtures for the bike rack are already in place, presumably by AS. Will it not therefore be the case that all bike racks on these new rear panels in the Bourton will obscure the number plate and lights when the bikes are on, and particularly when covered?

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Post by Paramedic on Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:06 pm

Well spotted Harry, appears the shape of the rear panel below the kitchen window determines the Fiamma fixtures seemingly at an all time low by normal standards for the Pro C carrier.

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Post by harrysp on Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:16 pm

Yes, had a look at the photos in a dealer’s website and the Fiamma fittings are there on a 2018 model. Not sure this is workable without a lighting board and electrics?

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Post by Liam on Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:49 pm

I cannot believe that AS did not consider this issue when they decided on the location to embed the bike rack fittings on the rear of the vehicle at the build stage.
Are they located in the same position on all of the MB vans or is it just the rear window models that have this problem?

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Post by LDPD on Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:56 pm

harrysp wrote:Yes, had a look at the photos in a dealer’s website and the Fiamma fittings are there on a 2018 model. Not sure this is workable without a lighting board and electrics?
Trust me - it isn't. I don't think it had been thought through properly.

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Post by harrysp on Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:20 am

Inclined to agree with you LDPF. Call the AS service centre, they may have a solution. Please let us know if they can help.

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Post by Norwich Lass on Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 pm

We have just taken away our bikes and they seem to be fine - maybe slightly over to the left but can see number plate ok . Bit worried now re indicators !
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Post by Cymro on Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:54 pm

I don't suppose it's possible for your dealer to exchange your bike rack for one like the Fiamma lifting one? We have that - bikes sit high, above all rear lights, but wind down low for easy placing of the bikes on the rack.

Mind you, if the only mounting boards are now at low level, with nothing up near the window, even the Fiamma lifting rack couldn't be mounted high above the lights.
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Post by Norwich Lass on Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Yes I agree - difficult !
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Post by steve@rydale on Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:00 pm

I chose not to use the fiamma rack, went for a towball thule rack which has built in lighting board and numberplate  holder. no more issues with obscured lighting or reg number
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Post by daisy mae on Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:18 pm

LDPD wrote:Thanks for the useful comments. Nothing further to discuss on this topic now.
That is rather ungrateful , when members have only tried to help you. that attitude a put off for helping, good job most are pleased for any help that's is given in good intent.

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Post by Cymro on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:46 am

Yes, Daisy Mae. I also detected sarcasm in LDPD's post. I had raised my eyebrows at his somewhat waspish phrase - in his post sent 8 minutes earlier - "Do you think I haven't thought of that?".

No doubt LDPD is justifiably upset that the bike rack isn't appropriately mounted, on a new van. But he should understand that Forum members are offering constructive suggestions in a spirit of mutual help. It's the outstanding hallmark of this Forum.
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Post by Norwich Lass on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:08 am

As a Newbie I welcome all this information .
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