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Post by Aethelric on Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:45 pm

It says in my Nuevo owners manual that the maximum technically permissible laden weight is given for the base vehicle and is unaffected by the Auto-Sleeper conversion.
Then it goes on to give 3300kg for a standard Nuevo and 3400kg for a Nuevo ES. Both have the same Vehicle designation 333 L1
The chassis handbook indicates 3300kg
Anyone one know how the ES gets away with an extra 100kg?
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Post by Peter Brown on Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:59 pm

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Autosleeper use svtech to re-plate many models to a higher weight.  If this has been done then their will be a second silver weight plate in addition to the original.

Sometimes no physical modifications are needed to do this but for other chassis spring assisters may be added.

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Post by PennyandDerek on Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:24 pm

Hopefully, you will also have the SVTech certificate with the vehicles documents.
Make sure your registration V5 states the correct weight.....3,500Kgs?

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Post by burlingtonboaby on Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:19 pm

Aethelric wrote:It says in my Nuevo owners manual that the maximum technically permissible laden weight is given for the base vehicle and is unaffected by the Auto-Sleeper conversion.
Then it goes on to give 3300kg for a standard Nuevo and 3400kg for a Nuevo ES. Both have the same Vehicle designation 333 L1
The chassis handbook indicates 3300kg
Anyone one know how the ES gets away with an extra 100kg?

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My 09 Nuevo ES has been replated to 3500kg, I have a a SVTech certificate to confirm this.  up! 
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Post by Aethelric on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:19 pm

Hmm
There is a single plate over the radiator that just says 3300Kg.  Is that the plate we are talking about?
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Post by Peter Brown on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:29 pm

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From my INCA.  The first is the original and second the additional AS plate.  I can't remember where they are located.

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Post by Aethelric on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:40 pm

Thanks Peter

I have a one like the top one - I'll try and find another in daylight tomorrow.
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Post by Paulmold on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:56 pm

Seems a pointless exercise to me. The MTPLM may have been increased but your total train weight has decreased which I don't understand and your rear axle weight has also been reduced so how does that give you a higher payload?

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:14 pm

Paulmold wrote:Seems a pointless exercise to me. The MTPLM may have been increased but your total train weight has decreased which I don't understand and your rear axle weight has also been reduced so how does that give you a higher payload?


I must admit I'm struggling with this as well as Paul.

In the past I've contact SVTech when I was looking at buying a van some while ago, but was concerned at the low payload. Never really felt that 'paperwork' was the answer.   shrugg
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Post by Peter Brown on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:20 pm

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The first article on the page linked above explains a complex scenario quite well and I won't attempt to summarise it.

The object of the exercise of upgrading a motorhome is to increase the available user payload but as Paul has pointed out there can be consequences for weight distribution, potential trailer weight etc.

My last van had been upgraded from 3500 to 3800. That upgraded the weight available to me from 200 to 500kg - very necessary. It did however place the van into an area of restricted speed and road access due to the weight....

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Post by inspiredron on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:07 pm

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My last van had been upgraded from 3500 to 3800.  That upgraded the weight available to me from 200 to 500kg - very necessary.  It did however place the van into an area of restricted speed and road access due to the weight....

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and when you get to 70 you need a regular medical examination for over 3500kg!

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Post by Aethelric on Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:50 pm

Good grief - I had no idea about the 3500Kg limit.  I'm so pleased I did not get anything bigger.

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Post by inspiredron on Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:09 am

Aethelric wrote:Good grief - I had no idea about the 3500Kg limit.  I'm so pleased I did not get anything bigger.

Thanks guys up!

There are other issues as well- on many European motorways you have to have a country-specific toll charger that fits to the windscreen or sunvisor that charges you a lot more than less than 3500kg which may well be a flat rate toll. Some roads are restricted to 3500kg, particularly through cities. Sometimes there are lane restrictions that affect over 3500kg and speed limits can be lower.

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Post by Backtrax on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:22 am

When we go to France it is for 8 weeks or more. We have 2 bicycles, a pair of Lafuma recliners and a pair of Chairs, a Hammock, a Boule set, Guitar, etc etc and plenty of clothing for a weathers.
Having read all about weight concerns this time last year I was getting a bit worried so on the morning we set off to France last May I detoured to our local waste facility and had the van weighed - 3300Kg. That is with full diesel tank, Waste tank empty, toilet flush 25% full but no fresh water in tank (we carry a 2 litre bottle when travelling).
As a double check we weighed the van again at a free facility we know of in Chartres - 3220Kg (Mrs B who was taking the reading and thus not in the van was not impressed by the implications of that !!!).
On the way home we were stopped by the police at a Peage and weighed with one of their mobile scales - they said 3400Kg.

This is all in a Broadway EL duo which has had the extra weight of Air-ride suspension fitted and is rated at 3500Kg.

So my point is - Fully laden I still have a 100Kg margin - what do you guys take with you that causes you these concerns!!!
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Post by Peter Brown on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:34 pm

What one travels with is very persona; as is are the places you choose to camp and the facilities you want available to you.

My van is on a standard chassis and is rated at 3,880kg. When starting off from the UK I have two full 13kg propane bottles, that's 50 kg. I mainly use aires so can never guarantee to be able to get water each day so travel with full fresh water and toilet tanks that 90kg. These are over and above the stuff that Backtrax mentions

I choose to take extra hook up leads, tools and spares (all mainly used to help other people). Weighed with all that but minus what I would call consumable clothing I have about 50kg spare. On the basis that I never expect all the tanks and gas to be full together I'm that with the odd bottle of wine and the other paraphernalia that you collect during a trip I will be within limits if checked.

Its a long time before I hit the 70 hurdle but if I can't pass a medical I don't want to be wandering Europe.

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Post by inspiredron on Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:14 pm

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Its a long time before I hit the 70 hurdle but if I can't pass a medical I don't want to be wandering Europe.

Peter

I totally agree, Peter, but having the medical is an added chore (every 3 years, I think) and expense. I have travelled within 3500kg for the last 11 years and, personally, I don't feel the need for more. And I would find it irriating to have to get the tolls box for Austrian motorways, for example. I have also noticed 3.5t weight limits on a number of roads that I have negotisted. I still manage to carry ample tools, often to help others, and I carry two full 6kg cylinders plus full fresh water tank. I think that I may have gone very slightly over the 3500 on one occasion in our old van (with a smaller margin than my Lancashire) when I returned from France with over 300kg of wine - but an empty water tank! A miscalculation at Calais. We do use lightweight and low bulk table and chairs etc but carry a Cadac Safari, which is neithrr light nor small. More weight = more fuel as well.
As you say, it is personal preference. But preference must follow awareness and my previous post was to make the OP aware that bigger is not necessarily better.

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Post by Aethelric on Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:35 am

Got a nice call and email from Autosleepers. Next time I am passing they will mod the suspension and add a new plate for 3.5 tons - free of charge. All I have to do is inform the DVLA.
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Post by Tincataylor on Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:31 am

My Nuevo EK Has also got a plate under the bonnet that says 3300Kilos and this is backed up by the weight stated in the AS handbook.  Is that it, or can it be uprated by AS to give me more payload and if so what do they do and what does it cost?

I will be going to the weighbridge for the first time this weekend fully loaded (diesel + water) so I am rather nervous that I might be very close to the limit

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Post by Paulmold on Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:06 am

We had ours weighed at Newark Show by the people that do the uprating SV Tech, see this, I doubt you will close to your weight..

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Post by Aethelric on Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:33 am

I doubt that we travel close to the limit. Its a four berth but there's just the two of us. We use the luton bed area for guitars and other instruments. However it's my everyday vehicle so we occasionally carry passengers.
The change for mine involves a change to the rubber stops on the suspension.
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Post by inspiredron on Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:40 pm

Tincataylor wrote:My Nuevo EK Has also got a plate under the bonnet that says 3300Kilos and this is backed up by the weight stated in the AS handbook.  Is that it, or can it be uprated by AS to give me more payload and if so what do they do and what does it cost?

I will be going to the weighbridge for the first time this weekend fully loaded (diesel + water) so I am rather nervous that I might be very close to the limit

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My 2012 Lancashire was ordered with 3500kg instead of 3300kg at no extra cost. However, when it was built they used a Nuevo ES chassis already rated at 3500kg as that was easier with current EU regs about "Whole vehicle Type Approval". I would not have ordered the van at 3300kg.

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Post by Tincataylor on Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:51 am

We have just popped to Cornwall for a weekend and, although not fully loaded, we went to the weighbridge with a full tank of diesel and fresh water with the bikes on the back.  Weight with me in the cab was 3080 so adding on another 60 for the wife (sorry to give away your weight beloved) that takes us to 3140.  So as we are rated at 3300 by my math that means we had 160 spare payload.  We also had just the rear axle weighed as well and this was only 1660 against a maximum 1900. 

We will naturally have more gear on board for a longer trip but with 160 kilo's spare and the ability to ditch all or some of the fresh water if required we feel we are quite comfortable with things just as they are.

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Post by Backtrax on Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:28 pm

Tinca,
Yep thats the way to go.
Remember though your full water tank (70litre?) weighs another 70 kilo of potential spare payload, hence the reason when travelling we have just a couple of 2litre bottles with us, and ditch the rest of the tank.

Below is a link to the tyre pressure chart which you can use against your weighbridge readings.

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Post by Tincataylor on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:03 am

Many thanks for this Backtrax but my poor old eyes are having trouble making out the detail. 

 I must be honest I had no idea that it is advisable to change tyre pressures in accordance with the weight on the day.  On my Nuevo there is a sticker inside the passengers do that says 59psi for the front and 65psi for the rear.  If there is more information inside the owners manual then I cannot find it.  Should I be visiting a tyre specialist to get specific information according to my tyre manufacturer who is "Goodride", who I have never heard of.

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Post by Backtrax on Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:44 am

Tinca,
Manufacturers place a label inside the door pillar to indicate the tyre pressures usually associated with maximum laden weight of the base vehicle.
It is always advisable to have tyre pressures which are specific to the axle weights you measure.
Hence the major tyre manufacturers produce pressure data for a range of loads for each of their tyre sizes and types.
I had not heard of Goodride before but they seem to be a Canadian company.
I am sure if you contact them via the link below they would advise pressures if you give them the tyre size and code and the axle weights.

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