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T3 Trooper or Trident

Post by tintinjet on Tue May 15, 2012 3:49 pm

Hi Any body out there got a T3 Trooper or a Trident, Need to know about tax cost and fuel consumption.
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Re: T3 Trooper or Trident

Post by Richsvan on Sat May 19, 2012 12:07 am

Welcome to the forum.
I'm a bit of a newbie myself, on this forum as I just bought I T4 Trooper, but before that I owned a hightop T3, with a homebrew interior so perhaps I can help.

Road Tax is about £210 pound a years, can't remember exactly but it's of that order.

MPG will depend on the engine, the T3 had quite a few different ones.

1.7 Diesel
1.6 Diesel
1.6 Turbo Diesel
1.6 Aircooled flat four
2.0 Aircooled flat four
1.9 Flat four Wasserboxer (WBX) DG
2.1 Flat Four Wasserboxer(WBX) DJ + other varients
There's even a very rare flat 6 WBX.

I think the list is relatively comprehensive but I might I missed a few.

I can only really talk about the fuel consumption of the 1.9 and 2.1 WBX.
The 1.9 DG did about 24mpg until it overheated (broken water distribution manifold). I then replaced it with a 2.1 DJ but ditched the fuel inj and just fitted the carb set up off the 1.9 and kept the 4 speed box, this did 21mpg, you might get better with the std fuel inj and the 5 speed box if you have a std 2.1. If you have the choice the 2.1 is the most powerful by some margin. If you have an automatic box I would expect to see signifcantly worse mpg.

Driving style has a big impact, motorway cruise speed should be around 60-65 in these vans. They will do more, I've been up to an indicated 80 but the engine feels strained and it's really not a comfortable experience (especially with a high top).

I guess you might expect a trooper to have better mpg than a trident (or my old high top) due to the lower profile, but I don't expect it would be more than 1-2mpg.

Hope this helps

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Re: T3 Trooper or Trident

Post by cjp0349 on Mon May 21, 2012 7:11 pm

Hi tintinjet
I have a 92 T4 Trooper 1.9 petrol which I've had just over 18 months. Tax is PLG rate £215, MPG low 20s normal/mid 20s motorway (60-65mph). The engine is a great motorway cruiser once it's up there but is a bit of a slug otherwise. Personally I think this engine lets an otherwise excellent vehicle down.
If you need to know anything else about the van just let me know on here and I'll gladly let you know my thoughts alittlesecret
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Re: T3 Trooper or Trident

Post by Richsvan on Tue May 22, 2012 12:12 am

Carl, Interesting for me to hear your views on the T4 2.0 Trooper, I 've not yet had the chance to work out the MPG on mine yet. I've only filled the tank once so far.

I tend to agree your thoughts regarding performance, it's capable but wouldn't win any prizes. Coming from the 2.1 T3 with 112bhp (in standard tune), it's a bit of a come down. Considering the move to fuel injection (one assumes to reduce emissions, give better mpg etc.) it's surprising to see that the T4 only puts 84bhp with similar mpg to the 2.1 with carb set up that I was running.

Having knocked the T4 a little bit, it's probably fair to say, it's likely to give less trouble than the T3 (although I still miss the T3).

Anyway, I don't want to hijack the thread, but it might be interesting to Tintinjet as it looks like he's shopping for a new toy.

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91 Trident

Post by Crash on Wed May 01, 2013 11:54 pm

I have a 1991 Trident high-top running a 1.9 DG (later style carb) with a 5-speed box and I'm getting around 26-28 mpg. Now I must say that it was my father's until he passed away and just before that he blew the engine (coolant loss) and had a brand new engine fitted by a VW main dealer, so perhaps that has something to do with it. As far as power goes, this things a rocket ship and constantly astounds other owners (I live in Canada, although my vehicle is a RHD from the UK and most here are N.A. Westphalias with the 2.1 fuel-injected motors). She cruises nicely at around 65-70 mph, but I have had here up over 85 without too much concern. I've also towed my rally car & trailer over 8,000 miles with her so far (My Brian James trailer weighs about 1800 lbs and my Escort Mk1 about 2000 lbs). She struggles a tad on the longer hills and I couldn't make it up over the Rockies (around Denver) with my car & trailer on the back, but along the flat she'll still maintain 60-65 mph loaded.

My only issue was her wandering in the cross-winds, which I cured by fitting 16 inch Mercedes wheels and some crazy-exspensive Continental tyres. I went for a slightly higher profile (taller) tyre which was probably a mistake as she's not so good with the trailer now. However, unloaded, I'm now getting slightly better mileage on the highway (more around the 28). I reckon a lot of it has to do with the new engine (it has about 20,000 miles on it now so it's barely broken in) plus I'm sure the later-style carb makes a difference.

Personally, I like the high-top (once you sort out the cross-wind wandering) because you can store your gear up top whilst traveling. You don't see them much over here as most are pop-top Westies, and owners are constantly commenting on the fact that the inside of my vehicle never looks junky because everything is neatly stored away above. On the other hand, if there's only two of you traveling, then the pop-tops probably handle better.
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Re: T3 Trooper or Trident

Post by Guest on Fri May 03, 2013 10:46 pm

Hi All
The 2.1 Engine is you're best bet for reliability and mpg over all the others fitted to T3, avoid the Turbo Diesel unless you want to keep buying turbos. As stated the 2.1 is indeed very quick, just watch out for those corners!

On the T4 front the 2.5TDI Engines are the way to go (88bhp & 102 bhp). These are the most economical T4 engines and have great torque with the 102bhp being the pick of the bunch. In a van conversion expect late 35 - 38 mpg. The 2.5 petrol again is very quick but expect no more than 20mpg.

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Re: T3 Trooper or Trident

Post by Alan.C on Sun May 05, 2013 3:03 pm

Just for completeness and to maybe confuse the issue, I parted last year with a T25 (homebrew conversion, def not AS) that had a 1.9TD Golf motor fitted. Ran really well and returned 29 ish mpg which I thought acceptable for a high top. It also had 'mini maglite' wheels which didn't help top speed (65-70 mw) but looked suitably quirky! up!
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