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Post by CC on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:06 pm

Going on from my recent thread regarding no option for a Euro Style Lounge &/Or a Garage... I thought it might be intresting to list any other features that forum members would like to see Auto-Sleepers consider or even implement in upcoming new models. 

So I’ll kick off with features I’d like to see in a Mercedes based (preferably) AutoSleeper Motorhome.



1: Al-Ko ultra low chassis 


2: Euro style lounge 


3: Underfloor storage pockets & Leisure battery, heating pipe ducts, plumbing etc underfloor to maximise storage - (Or at the least more thought into the better positioning of these items)


4: Twin fixed permanent rear singles (with underbed storage)


5: External garage transverse (accessible from both sides if poss) Similar to Bailey’s Autograh range, but not so high that it effects sleep height like some other manufacturers. 


6: Bathroom sinks that are actually up to the task of real term use not just look good in the showroom or AS brochures, ie better quality more durable plastics.




I realise these features are probably mostly unwanted by other members, it’s just what we’d like to see... 

So why not take the opportunity to list what you want to see? You never know Auto-Sleepers may even show an interest (although I doubt it) if the recent forum comments are anything to go by that suggest members are more than happy with the Auto Sleepers past & current “Traditional” stance of turning out loads of different models, with the same old features & identical layouts shrugg


We personally would like to upgrade from our current Broadway but if we buy any of the new models we’ll just get something very similar, slightly newer looking & have to spend a fortune for the privilege, in these circumstances there’s just no compelling reason for us to currently update!


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Post by Gromit on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:33 pm

Hi CC

If all your wish list items could be fitted into a 6 metre (or very little longer) van, and still accommodate my 6' 3" in one of the beds, we would be up for it like a shot.

Those two criteria are somewhat restrictive if we want to keep it at home, and after a lot of looking over a number of years we have yet to find a better alternative to the Nuevo.

With greater freedom of choice I've no doubt we would have a different van, but at present we have to be happy with the best compromise.
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Post by Paramedic on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:55 pm

Hi CC, your allegiance to the Autosleepers brand is indeed most honourable despite the problems you have reported in the past. I think it has been highlighted recently that since taken over by Trigano, it's likely Autosleepers will leave things as they are to satisfy the 'British Market' principally to preserve an alternative to the many continental type French/German etc. (forward dinette) coach builds. Not to put all yours eggs in one basket comes to mind. Regards

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Post by chrisk on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:58 pm

Sink on other swing wall then you won't lean on sink when on Loo.

All manuals to be listed with the correct equipment thats fitted to your MH
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Post by groundhog on Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:50 pm

Mercedes chassis on a tag axle to avoid the overhang as in the burford. Then I could have a rear lounge plus front dinette like my old Bessacarr E795. Rear U shape lounge which also makes a base big enough to convert to a proper bed by adding a memory foam mattress plus front dinette. Like Gromit if the seats will not take 6' 3" I am not interested!

Mind you I guess it would need Mercedes to make the chassis first.... scratch head......

Or a Swift Kontiki 649 on a Mercedes chassis..... think_smiley_46
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Post by daisy mae on Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:50 pm

A bigger van than my Anniversary Clubman, that I use to have,  on a VW BASE,


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Post by Paulmold on Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:16 pm

Washroom like Autotrail/Trigano with proper shower cubicle.

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Post by Hoopman on Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:09 pm

T6 Gatcombe (with 2004 A/S build quality please smile!)
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Post by Dare-devil-dennis on Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:29 pm

Almost perfect, but...

More design effort given to positioning of (electrical/heating) equipment in bed lockers. Owner storage capacity should take priority over production convenience.

Larger and more wet lockers (at least big enough to fit a spare toilet cassette).

An external door to access the Truma heater for service.

Adjustable angle solar panels.
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Post by kaspian on Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:41 pm

We find our Kemerton almost perfect apart from shocking corner cutting during build. With very little effort 2 singles are available without touching the cab seats.Home made   Infill panels then become backrests allowing 2 settees as per Warwick Duo. Massive easily built double bed.Plenty of worktop space , dedicated tv cabinet storage..Big end bathroom with separate shower still allowing through way from cab to rear doors avoiding the claustrophobic pinch point design of kitchen and bathroom in middle of van. .In a 6M van conversion , a great layout considering its size.
      What would we like in future? Drop the horrible fake light wood effect furniture with the dark varnished paper band on doors. Pre 2014 Kemertons just look more upmarket inside with darker wood trim. Drop the 1970s 'grannies heilan' hame' decor in some vans, after all it is 2018. As 6m vans are done to death design wise and limited in size bring out a bi  slide out sides van like IH Vans. Drop the rattly blind cassettes with flyscreens in van conversions - most windows dont open so why do they need this expense? Oh and did  I mention use the correct amount of screws to retain all fixings during build! 
          As others have said younger buyers are now buying motorhomes . A/s need to respond with even a van or two targeted to appeal to those unfortunate enough to be still working. hugegrins
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Post by meanchris on Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:48 am

Auto-Sleepers got one thing mostly right from the beginning - Brits usually don't much like the pinched off hourglass layout of a continental dinette, centre kitchen/bathroom, and fixed rear bed that requires the use of a ladder.
At least, that's what the continuing popularity of the traditional lounge style AS vans appears to demonstrate.

Personally, I loathe that claustrophobic feel.

Give them their due, they manage to retain their open plan layouts while catering for the fixed bed market as well, as evidenced by a very nicely designed Malvern that I sat in recently. up!

The problem with a conventional 'lounge' plus a fixed bed is one of overall length, and a lot of us prefer the convenience and maneuverability of a 6m (ish) van.

I think that the answer to this is to have a central drop down hydraulic strut bed, which drops to lounge bench height ready made up, so saving storage space normally used for bedding and foam mattresses etc.

So, not necessarily in this order:

1. Drop down bed, with the traditional lounge underneath, allowing a 6m (or just slightly more) overall length.

2. Secure external lockers

3. Solar panel and controller as standard (as so many threads here are about flat batteries).

4. The option for an auto gearbox.

5. Full height fridge/freezer

6. An accurate manual with electrical circuit diagram and component locations Whistle1

7. More attention paid to build quality and consistency thereof.

8. More attention paid to insulation, our last Exec didn't even have enough insulation to stuff a pillow.
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Post by Maasai Warrior on Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:13 am

kaspian wrote:As 6m vans are done to death design wise and limited in size bring out a bi  slide out sides van like IH Vans.
 I like the slide out sides on the IH vans, including the latest version from the rear, but do you think AS are up to the waterproofing challenge with that one? think_smiley_46

The Vantage and IH motorhomes Hartal door configuration instead of sliding doors on van conversions would be a good way to go for AS. I know it would make the vans more expensive but it is a good addition as an option.

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Post by Gromit on Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:39 am

meanchris wrote:Auto-Sleepers got one thing mostly right from the beginning - Brits usually don't much like the pinched off hourglass layout of a continental dinette, centre kitchen/bathroom, and fixed rear bed that requires the use of a ladder.
At least, that's what the continuing popularity of the traditional lounge style AS vans appears to demonstrate.

Personally, I loathe that claustrophobic feel.

Give them their due, they manage to retain their open plan layouts while catering for the fixed bed market as well, as evidenced by a very nicely designed Malvern that I sat in recently. What would you like to see from Auto-Sleepers 3459062273

The problem with a conventional 'lounge' plus a fixed bed is one of overall length, and a lot of us prefer the convenience and maneuverability of a 6m (ish) van.

I think that the answer to this is to have a central drop down hydraulic strut bed, which drops to lounge bench height ready made up, so saving storage space normally used for bedding and foam mattresses etc.
Couldn't agree more with your opening comments, and the drop down bed would be superb . . . if I was a midget!  Whistle1  Unfortunately I'm 6' 3" so I would have the same problem as in most panel van conversions.
We're not bothered about a big fridge freezer, nor an auto gearbox, but everything else sounds good to me!  up!
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Post by groundhog on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:14 pm

How about a Unity Travel Van with the murphy bed!... google it!
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Post by meanchris on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:25 pm

This is the way forward, IMHO, (excepting for those lankys like Dave/Gromit perhaps who need a longer bed  snigger  ).

https://www.motorhomes.co.uk/motorhomes-for-sale/rapido/70-ff/700-ff/1894/#prettyPhoto

This van is under 6m but very spacious and airy as it has the central drop down bed. There seems to be a trend developing, and I suspect that this layout will develop as more people appreciate the benefits.

Our new MH has a similar halfway house lounge bench/semi dinette as the one above, and this isn't anything like as claustrophobic as the full dinette euro vans.
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Post by bolero boy on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:50 pm

if you want to see how a top converter deploys a longitudinal drop down bed in a PVC, check out the La Strada Avanti H....the bed is 200cm x 130cm and bedding can be kept in place..

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Post by Bad Penny on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:54 am

I am sure if AS owners put enough pressure on Trigano AS, they would consider a drop down bed model in their range. Most other marquis now have that availability.
Sorry Dave (gromit) yours would have to be slightly taller, but don't use French motorways they will charge you a fortune for the extra size.

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Post by Gromit on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:19 pm

Bad Penny wrote:Sorry Dave (gromit) yours  would have to be slightly taller, but don't use French motorways they will charge you a fortune for the extra size.
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Post by RML on Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:21 pm

CC wrote:Going on from my recent thread regarding no option for a Euro Style Lounge &/Or a Garage... I thought it might be intresting to list any other features that forum members would like to see Auto-Sleepers consider or even implement in upcoming new models. 

So I’ll kick off with features I’d like to see in a Mercedes based (preferably) AutoSleeper Motorhome.



1: Al-Ko ultra low chassis 


2: Euro style lounge 


3: Underfloor storage pockets & Leisure battery, heating pipe ducts, plumbing etc underfloor to maximise storage - (Or at the least more thought into the better positioning of these items)


4: Twin fixed permanent rear singles (with underbed storage)


5: External garage transverse (accessible from both sides if poss) Similar to Bailey’s Autograh range, but not so high that it effects sleep height like some other manufacturers. 


6: Bathroom sinks that are actually up to the task of real term use not just look good in the showroom or AS brochures, ie better quality more durable plastics.




I realise these features are probably mostly unwanted by other members, it’s just what we’d like to see... 

So why not take the opportunity to list what you want to see? You never know Auto-Sleepers may even show an interest (although I doubt it) if the recent forum comments are anything to go by that suggest members are more than happy with the Auto Sleepers past & current “Traditional” stance of turning out loads of different models, with the same old features & identical layouts shrugg


We personally would like to upgrade from our current Broadway but if we buy any of the new models we’ll just get something very similar, slightly newer looking & have to spend a fortune for the privilege, in these circumstances there’s just no compelling reason for us to currently update!


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Good post thank you. 
Although I drive a German van if AS could achieve these features on a 3.5t chassis then I would buy one after a few years of de-bugging. But it's not just the layout it's also in the design and build quality. I read the posts here when this and that fails on new vans and the repitition of old faults still not corrected during construction, I see this as a priority. Without listing anything on this dedicated forum my 2 year old van has absolutely no faults or flaws, they have been engineered out through clever design. I do however respect you all as loyal AS owners. 
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Post by bolero boy on Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:53 pm

Rich, i hadn't read this post....i was too busy typing almost exactly as you did, in the Kingham cons thread....
i, too, drive a german van with almost all the above ingredients, except we have a transverse bed, but is 6.4m long and runs at 3.5t..
No Faults....
im afraid the two biggest differences are design integrity and attention to detail....
with panel vans at £60k+ drawers and shelves falling out due to poorly specced fixings just isnt good enough...not once, let alone over and over...

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Post by Bad Penny on Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:31 pm

We used to have a  German MH a Burstner T625, alko chassis low profile etc etc, the best MH we have ever had for reliability and quality never had a problem with it. That was new in 2004, we don't think the present models are as good as that time. Price is expensive for what they are. 

Our present MH is a Benimar 286, it has the layout we like, a good lounging area, drop down bed, plenty of kitchen space and storage plus a large garage with a door each side and one from inside if raining. Two large wardrobes his and hers over the garage. All the so called extras we generally have to pay extra for were included in the price.

My wife had a tick list of everything she wanted in a MH after over 20 years use of 3 AS's and a Burstner. We spent two full days at the NEC in Oct 2015 and came across the Benimar 286 delivery was April 2016. This one ticked almost all of what she wanted in a MH. Price was pitched to sell as Benimar were looking to get back into the UK after a long lapse.

Lots of extras one normally has to pay for, were in the standard price.
We enjoy using it and everything is easy to use and all in 6.99 meters.

AS make good vans and quality is first class, but for our tastes we think they need to move a little in a different direction. I had a Taiisman GX launched in Earls court in 1999. That layout is exactly the same as the Broadway EK LP 2018. I don't want to knock AS, as I know they have a strong following. Anyway I like the forum, never any agro just good advice.
  
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Post by meanchris on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:42 pm

Your 286 epitomises what's new and well thought out Leighton - from the bed layout diagram to the drop down centre double and the lounge that manages actual 'lounging' seats as well as the belted seats instead of the horrid de rigueur sit up and beg dinette in eurovans of yore.

This is similar to what we were looking for, except that we went for a Rapido with rear fixed bed for now, as SWMBO wants to have more space than a <6m van with only a drop down anyway, maybe we'll go for the central drop down next time.
It's attention to detail that is important, who wants to be fiddling with cushions and no diagram when making the bed, (yes, the Rapido has a cushion diagram in its extensive manual for the second lounge based double).

We'll miss the admiring looks and questions from the French campers that we used to get in the Exec though, "Oh Monsieur, c'est une camping car tres jolie, qu'est-ce que c'est?"
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Post by Bad Penny on Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:48 am

Looking at some pictures of the 2018 Benimar 286, I notice the design of the drop down bed has changed. It seems the redesign has increased the head room in the centre of the lounge, while over the seating area it is lower than the centre.

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