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Westminster Sleaze

Post by Bad Penny on Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:35 am

Is the news coming out of Westminster, further evidence of how low our calibre of politicians have got. After all, when serving in public life one should strive to be lily white and an example to the rest of us. These are people who then tell us how we should behave. If this list of MP's are found guilty of inappropriate behaviour, (allegedly there are 36 of them) the sad thing is, they cannot be sacked. The only place in the UK where this can happen.

I suppose the question also to be asked is, has this kind of behaviour got worse or are people who have been affected more ready to highlight the problem. confused3

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by burlingtonboaby on Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:42 pm

I think I have said this before,"Bring back the wooden stocks" if their protected by some Dickensian ruling and cannot be sacked, then pelt them with rotten eggs.
Boaby  rant over
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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by daisy mae on Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:30 pm

You don`t think this is some conspiracy  act to get the Tories out , ? 

not saying these things didn`t go on in all walks of life, just saying coincidence ?

As some want to reverse the Brexit vote,  call me cynical if you will, wouldn`t be the first time either, and why now?    when they all should be pulling together for the country. I am fast despairing of it all, so glad I am not of the younger generation.

My last comment on anything political, 

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Peter Brown on Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:08 pm

Reminds me of the time I spotted John Prescott playing hide and seek with his secretary around the arches at Kings Cross.

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by repoort on Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:13 pm

....Mrs May (or maynot) has actually said "the reputation of parliment has to be protected" - does she not realise the utter contempt that a lot of people think of the whole rotten system ?
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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Paramedic on Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:31 pm

Wasn't it a recent mention (media or committee report) that some House of Lords parliamentarians make no contribution to debate but simply turn up to claim their obscene allowances. Those of us that have to get by on our hard earned (mandatory) taxed income........ I feel the upsurge for a people's revolution. Erm, where's my soapbox. Hyde Park corner here I come. Whistle1

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Sue68 on Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:12 pm

Are we going back to Victorian values? No flirting or saucy comments allowed

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Post by Libraryman2 on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:07 pm

Paramedic wrote:Wasn't it a recent mention (media or committee report) that some House of Lords parliamentarians make no contribution to debate but simply turn up to claim their obscene allowances. Those of us that have to get by on our hard earned (mandatory) taxed income........ I feel the upsurge for a people's revolution. Erm, where's my soapbox. Hyde Park corner here I come. Whistle1

Yes it has been reported that way!
I find it enormously frustrating that our country is in such a state and we continue to fund these thieves!
However, I doubt that Germany has Less unscrupulous people in its government, but it’s not really picked on because it’s economy is in surplus to the forecasted tune of 12 billions! Whereas our country has a deficit of some 50+ billions.....shocking and disturbing to say The least.

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by jollywalker on Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:00 am

I can't accept that every politician at Westminster is a sleaze bag.
As in all walks of life there are rotten apples, and as always they make the news.
Many politicians are there for the right motives, and we should be thankful that they are still prepared to do this, considering the contempt that some people hold them in.
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Post by Libraryman2 on Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:20 am

jollywalker wrote:I can't accept that every politician at Westminster is a sleaze bag.
As in all walks of life there are rotten apples, and as always they make the news.
Many politicians are there for the right motives, and we should be thankful that they are still prepared to do this, considering the contempt that some people hold them in.
Jollywalker

Even though I’m very judgmental of politicians, I have to agree with you, there are some exceptional people in there trying to put the country right.
Sadly we lost Jo Cox, who was clearly a good person and there are of course others.

It’s the few bad apples that taint the good work carried out by the majority, however: to bring the thread back on track, .....they are all human and fallible, and I personally think that the recent purge about sexual harassment/abuse is in danger of becoming (to use a broad analogy) a little Spanish Inquisition.

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by groundhog on Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:34 pm

Press conspiracy, fake news, political correctness gone bonkers, call it what you like!
Doesn't it denigrate a genuine case of abuse or misconduct by lumping together someone putting a hand on a knee 15 years ago or being found looking at porn on the internet with a serious and unwanted advance.
Yes there are bent members of parliament but then there are bent people in just about every walk of life.
I know there are some on here who have had the pleasure in working in other countries, if you want to see what sleaze and corruption really is try a couple of weeks in West Africa for starters.
Yet again the actions of a handful threaten to bring down the good work of many thanks largely to the media.
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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Bad Penny on Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:48 pm

Groundhog, other countries are not our concern, they can clear up their own mess. Our politicians are an elected bunch of people put there to represent us the electorate. Therefore behave in the way we expect them to as public servants. As for bringing down the good work of others that is not true, if found guilty of a charge, only that person faces the consequence. It seems the number in question here is a small percentage of our MP'S.
As for the press, we need them to expose this kind of thing in the first place. What I don't agree with, is trial by media, thats for the courts to decide.

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Gromit on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:09 pm

It's also worth considering the fairly dramatic changes during the past 20 or 30 years as to what counts as abuse.

When I was an errant youth, a cuff across the ear from a (more or less) friendly policeman was considered much preferable to a criminal record, and if my mother received a wolf whistle from a gang of builders she would not have gone screaming to the press claiming sexual harassment. Having said that, I would be the first to come down hard on genuine molesters, specially where children are concerned, and I would show no mercy.

However, if we are talking about historical abuse, surely we should give serious consideration to what was accepted at the time, rather than apply today's rules to yesterday's misdemeanours.

It's a very sensitive and difficult problem and there's no easy answer in many cases, but it does seem that too often the current attitude is "guilty until proven innocent".

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Peter Brown on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:47 pm

This change of standards has been evolving for several years and we are not resisting it.

Thus by the proven process on Natural Selection, in a few years time, all of our public servants will be dull, unimaginative and indecisive and completely incapable of running the country. Our financial, military and international status will disappear - we will have no credibility.

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by groundhog on Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:02 pm

Leighton

I agree other countries are not our concern but we have to draw a comparison and my point is compared to many other countries the UK parliament is positively virtuous despite its many faults!

I do not agree though about the actions of the few tarnishing the many.

Peter is right, goodness knows where we will end up in a few years time at this rate

The press are to blame for so much of this.
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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Bad Penny on Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:18 pm

Sorry groundhog, but it wasn't the press making the allegations in the first place, only reporting them. I srongly believe if we are to be respected in the world, we have to keep our own house in order. It is the only way.

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by daisy mae on Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:34 pm

Often the press reporting , is  different to fact, embellished comes to mind.

I just wish they would get on and do the best for the country and stop this digging up dirt, from decades ago, past is past get over it.
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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by Peter Brown on Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:40 am

daisy mae wrote:Often the press reporting , is  different to fact, embellished comes to mind.


I have personal experience of being the subject such embellishment by a reporter, may be one word in a hundred was actually said by me. It was in the mid seventies and was I believe engineered to be malicious. It occurred in the same time frame as having two children under 3, wife set fire to chip pan and burned out the ground floor of the house and I had the worst boss ever in my career.

On the bright side, I'm at a reception in the Palace of Westminster this afternoon so will be able asses the situation first hand.

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Re: Westminster Sleaze

Post by daisy mae on Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:02 am

That must have been a terrible time for you, one you will never forget no doubt. I think we all see things on past experiences,

Sometimes with some folk I love my dog more, after all they ask for very little in exchange and aren`t judgmental.  

Enjoy the reception Peter. Hope you have a good time,
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