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Our gearbox woes

Post by M&D on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:41 pm

Hi all,

You may be interested in our adventures in Symphony in Mulhouse.

Our gearbox has always had a difficult gear change (at least since we bought it in Feb) but whilst travelling from Mulhouse to Freiburg to Furtwangen, we experienced van shudder when pressing the accelerator (hardish) when in fifth gear.

Basically, in fifth, and using the throttle hard results in van judder. I think it's also there (albeit, only a little) in fourth.

We visited a Peugeot dealer in Mulhouse where the service department did a test drive and suggested 5th was on it's way out. The gearbox oil was checked and then changed... see the photo.

Now we need to find a suitable gearbox specialist. Searching the forum finds Manual Gearbox Repairs in Swansea (not that far from us) and M&W Autos in Wisbech, the internet finds Gloucester Road Gearboxes, and Reconditioned Van Gearboxes who quoted £1495 inc VAT and free fitting if the van was left with them and 12 months warranty and 12k miles.

Has anyone used these and if so what was your experience?

With regards the drain pipe pouring water on top of the gearbox issue, I found Coastal Motorhomes sold the longer pipe (£21.62 inc). The chap I spoke to said Fiat redesigned the pipe in 1998...

Note: there's no crunching of gears (just difficulty in getting into gear), there's no steering wheel wobble which could indicate a wheel unbalanced, no clutch judder or slip. Although the chap at Coastal Motorhomes suggested checking the engine and gearbox mounts as the rubbers can perish. I have yet to do this.
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Re: Our gearbox woes

Post by -mojo- on Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:13 pm

For the judder, I would suspect the engine and gearbox mounts before the gearbox. I would ~expect~ a lot of noise from the gearbox if internal wear were so bad as to cause it to judder.

On the difficult gearchange, I'd want to be absolutely sure that linkage lubrication and adjustment did not fix the problem before doing anything to the gearbox itself - because that should be way, way cheaper to address!

Is that a trick of the light in the photo, or was the gearbox oil really cream coloured?
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Post by peugeotboxer on Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:52 pm

M&D wrote:

We visited a Peugeot dealer in Mulhouse where the service department did a test drive and suggested 5th was on it's way out. The gearbox oil was checked and then changed... see the photo.







The oil looks like it has been contaminated with water and has emulsified.
The damage may have already been done.

There is a thread about the scuttle drain hose being rerouted away from the gearbox.

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Post by newterry on Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:59 pm

My 1998 Harmony is currently with Maurice at M&W Autos having the gearbox stripped and rebuilt with whatever new parts are needed. He get's them direct from Italy and is referred to elsewhere on this forum. The downside is he's in Wisbech down a single track country lane which from Southampton where I live is the equivalent of the dark side of the moon. He gave me a courtesy car and it took me 6 hours to drive home via a very tasty and a bit expensive all day breakfast at Baldock Services on the A1M !
These guys are a gem and hard to find as 'normal' garages just tell you the parts are obsolete- don't get me started !
My cheque book is already quivering at the potential cost but my Harmony is a lifetime investment so needs must.
I'll be writing up the outcome at a later date.
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Re: Our gearbox woes

Post by M&D on Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:52 pm

Thanks for your replies, Mojo, PB and Terry. And yes, that really is the colour of the oil, magnolia I think is the modern name for that colour. And 2.5ltr came out of the gearbox...

I changed my lemon Mk4 engine oil many years ago and that at least had some black (oil) streaks in it!

I'm hoping to 'fiddle' with the engine/gearbox mounts this coming weekend, and I also hope to fit the 'longer' pipe...
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