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Post by Windychippy on Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:05 pm

Hello All wave
       Ongoing issues with our year old Kemerton.  The drainage at the front of the sliding door sliding window has caused water to pool in the window recess and slopped into the van each time we open or close the door.  Have tried the recommended method of clearing (compress air) to no avail. Warranty process now in operation as from the beginning of this week. Mark at A/S says a new window is required (£700). Although it's a Peugeot problem A/S put a tint on the window so they have to replace it.  The drainage method does seem a tad strange though (to me).

Now, don't tell the wife but Iv'e been up onto the roof to check out my roof-rail/roof bar  options to carry my 12ft long windsurf board (it does fit inside as well)  Anyway while up there I noticed numerous tiny rust spots from the front to the back of the roof. Now I assume this would be a Peugeot claim but because A/S have cut and bored so many holes would it end up being there claim?
I know I am protected with the relevant warranties but wondered if anybody on the forum has had this problem and how it was sorted.
Now, don't tell the wife that I was up there. alittlesecret  Or about the rust as she'll want the van gone.so_sad

Oh, and I have read in the hand book that the roof rail are for decoration only. (not for carrying loads)  This means fitting a boxer specific rail to the correct fixing lugs on the offside and special Thule brackets to the Awning fixings on the nearside.  Has anybody on the forum decided to put load bearing rails on there van conversion and if so could you please enlighten me as to the best way forward.  (leave all old fixings, through roof  or remove and plug hols) etc.

Cheers Windy


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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by Hubert on Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:28 pm

Hi Windy
The tiny rust spots may be the result of small pieces of swarf from when A-S cut the holes in the roof. I had similar in the roof drainage channels. I was also shocked to see it but after making sure it was clean, I used some polish and managed to get rid of the rust staining. It hasn't reappeared. I would be surprised if it was rusting, they are probably rust stains where the tiny bits of metal have been left.

Hope that's the case for you.

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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by Windychippy on Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:22 pm

Dearest Hubert

That sounds like music to my ears, makes sense to me. When the rain stops I will be up there with the cutting compounds (fine).      Don't tell the wife though.
Have been leaving it for A/S to look at when van goes in for warranty work.

Regards   Windy
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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by Windychippy on Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:34 pm

Hello all.
Update-:  Re new window required in sliding door.
Emailed Marquis at Winchester re the problem on Tuesday and hey-presto Mark from A/S service has just rung to book me in end of November. While there he will fit new fridge surround back plates as these are on a recall because there splitting.  Have asked him to install fridge extract fans as well in top vent. (that bit at a cost)  So all in all I'm happy that the wife is happy and things are getting sorted.   We did not buy from Marquis Winchester so very please that they are trying to help although it was purchased originally from the Marquis group.
Cheers Windy
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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by AutoSleepyDon on Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:43 pm

Windychippy wrote:Emailed Marquis at Winchester re the problem on Tuesday
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We did not buy from Marquis Winchester
Great news your all sorted and you will soon be back windsurfing.

What made you email Winchester if you didn't buy it from them?
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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by kaspian on Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:02 pm

Hi Windy , I think you will find that Hubert is correct.When the van was built they  did not clear your roof of swarf and this has now rusted. Use fine compound to remove the rust stains then a decent wax to protect. We had this in the gutter area of the roof where the swarf had collected after not bring removed properly. There is not much weight in a surfboard but Karitec do a cracking roof load system that will side load kayaks /  canoes and is well engineered. I think I read that Wargenwolf has this fitted so maybe worth contacting regarding fixings. 
       You are right about the roof rails if you give them a pull they would probably come away in your hand! It is also worth giving the roof a good wax as if stored level outside the van pools water which collects in the corrugated roof sections which a/s kindly dam at both ends by installing roof vents. Dry weather then dries out the ponds formed which evaporate leaving grit and  contaminants to eat into the paint . A good coat of carefully applied wax to these areas twice a year goes a long way to protect against damage.

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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by Windychippy on Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:53 pm

Hi Don,  bought van privately, last owner bought from Marquis Preston so I hoped my local Marquis would help. The first was understaffed and suggested back to Preston so rang the Winchester service manager and he was supportive and things are moving along nicely. 



Thanks for that Kaspian.  Will certain be looking to give the roof a good wax/sealing as soon as possible.   I checked out the Kari-tec system earlier this year for fitting on my last van a T5 but decided they were to agricultural looking and there would be to much drag so opted for the Thule Hullavator which can be easily removed when not needed.  The 12ft windsurf board fits inside the van and only need to put on roof when we travel over a number of days so as not to keep in and out with everything. I don't think the Hullavator will lower the board far enough and I will need a ladder to start the lowering operation anyway.  Problem is there are so many areas on the roof that you have to avoid, solar, arial, 3 roof lights and vents.  Will check out Wargenwolfs post re the Kari-tec.
Much appreciated 
Windy

P.s. What ever you do don't tell the wife:girl-thinking:


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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by burlingtonboaby on Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:10 pm

We had a T5 converted by Leisiure drive some years back, returning home I lifted the side opening roof to find lots of brown rust stains and metal swarf in the gutters.
As others have said , should clean of with fine compound paste.
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Post by Wargenwolf on Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:21 pm

Windychippy wrote:........ I checked out the Kari-tec system earlier this year for fitting on my last van a T5 but decided they were to agricultural looking and there would be to much drag........

........Will check out Wargenwolfs post re the Kari-tec..........

Hi Windy, 

I agree with you that the Kari-Tek 'high lift' system I had fitted is not the prettiest sight, but it does its job perfectly and for my two kayaks at 15'6" & 17'6", there weren't many other options open to me.

Any drag effect on my consumption is negligible, as my average isn't much below what other owners are reporting.

Prior to ordering, I was aware that the standard Auto-Sleeper longitudinal roof rails were cosmetic, so I opted for the upgrade to a Fiamma load carrying roof system at the factory build stage, so can't help with advice on fitting after market systems. My Kari-Tek 'high lift' is attached directly to the Fiamma side rails, which are in turn strengthened by 4 cross rails.

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Post by Windychippy on Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:47 pm

Thanks Ken.
Would you mind telling me how much the system cost you, pm me if you wish. Also which side do you lift down to, I would assume the offside because of the nearside awning.
I had a local engineering firm manufacture bars to hold my longboard on the hullavator so total cost was just shy of £700 and never got to use it as T5 was sold before it was ready.
Now for sale.  I might have to go your way.  Is your rack way above all the roof lights etc.

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Post by kaspian on Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:10 pm

Hi Windy, I fabricated my own rack which used adjustable rollers at the rear to centre the boat in a v  to take a 2 man sit on top, then an old town canadian canoe ( heavy and unwieldy and latterly a beautiful Rockpool Alaw Bach sea kayak , long , fragile but light to manhandle . This was on top of a large 4 x4  and only the canoe was a struggle due to size and weight .  Karitec are close by and although I agree it looks home made the easy loading system works well and I have seen 4 sea kayaks on the roof of their van loaded easlly so a single board should be easy peasy. Although not cheap it might be a sledgehammer to crack a nut solution. My friend bought normal cross bars for the van and a set of cheap lightweight 5 tread steps that allowed him access  to load and  tie down the kayak. On site he just put the steps under the van chained to a wheel. Simple cheap option!

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Post by Wargenwolf on Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:16 am

Windychippy wrote:Thanks Ken.
Would you mind telling me how much the system cost you, pm me if you wish. Also which side do you lift down to, I would assume the offside because of the nearside awning.
I had a local engineering firm manufacture bars to hold my longboard on the hullavator so total cost was just shy of £700 and never got to use it as T5 was sold before it was ready.
Now for sale.  I might have to go your way.  Is your rack way above all the roof lights etc.

Cheers Windy

The rack and winch were £629, but with fittings, cradles and labour, the end bill was £840.

It does winch down the offside, which leaves me free to use the Fiamma canopy or freestanding awning.

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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by rgermain on Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:03 am

kaspian wrote:Hi Windy , I think you will find that Hubert is correct.When the van was built they  did not clear your roof of swarf and this has now rusted. Use fine compound to remove the rust stains then a decent wax to protect. We had this in the gutter area of the roof where the swarf had collected after not bring removed properly. There is not much weight in a surfboard but Karitec do a cracking roof load system that will side load kayaks /  canoes and is well engineered. I think I read that Wargenwolf has this fitted so maybe worth contacting regarding fixings. 
       You are right about the roof rails if you give them a pull they would probably come away in your hand! It is also worth giving the roof a good wax as if stored level outside the van pools water which collects in the corrugated roof sections which a/s kindly dam at both ends by installing roof vents. Dry weather then dries out the ponds formed which evaporate leaving grit and  contaminants to eat into the paint . A good coat of carefully applied wax to these areas twice a year goes a long way to protect against damage.
Having been a windsurfer since they first appeared in this country and transporting some 4 boards a time on various cars/vans over the years, it is not the weight that is the main problem, it's the uplift that causes the boards to lift!

Well done windychippy, keep blasting along, have you got a foil yet?

Richard aska  windy1
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Re: Things not to tell the wife

Post by Windychippy on Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:21 pm

rgermainHaving been a windsurfer since they first appeared in this country and transporting some 4 boards a time on various cars/vans over the years, it is not the weight that is the main problem, it's the uplift that causes the boards to lift! wrote:
Well done windychippy, keep blasting along, have you got a foil yet?

Hi Richard   aska windy1

Drifting of the point for a mo,  started windsurfing at age 55 and although have tried smaller and smaller boards they are not for me (balance issues) but have and love my formula board (wide and stable)up! But even better are the race boards (long boards) hugegrins have 3 of them and we old farts cruise from coffee shop to pub (fish and chips) and then ice cream on about a 20 mile cruise 3 or 4 times each year.  Longest cruise done this year 40 miles round Isle of Sheppey. Sorry to go on, comes with age, I think:confused3:  Regards foiling, tried the Kites first until a local was killed, They are much safer nowadays and I think better suited to the foils. Can't see the point on a sailboard, may be if I was a lot younger.
I do the Round Hayling Race each year since 2009 it's a good laugh (blisters, blood and all)

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