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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:41 pm

My MB has always started quickly in a second or so. Picked up the van from storage 2 days ago, started fine, filled with fuel, started fine, drove home and parked. Put onto EHU to top upp the engine battery as had been stood for 5 weeks. Today when I tried to start for my trip to Wharfedale, churned over at normal speed but would not fire, step buzzer going though step was retracted. After 20 seconds or so, engine started and runs ok, buzzer off. I drove 80 miles and stopped for coffee/loo, same happened, slow to start with buzzer. Next stop didn't extend step but same action. Once started no warning lights are showing.

Any ideas? Appears engine module not recieving step retracted signal? Step works fine manually extending and retracting on the button. confused3

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Post by gemdeco on Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:08 pm

Hi
  I always wait until the ignition lights have gone out to engage the starter,I am presuming the glow plugs have warmed the engine and it then starts,could it be the glowplugs have stopped working does it restart easily when hot
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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:15 pm

Doen't seem to make any difference, hot or cold. Same problem having driven 100 miles, stop and restart with in a few minutes, still sluggish.

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Post by Peter Brown on Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:35 pm

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I cant find the thread were the source of this information was posted.

I don't think you have the same problem as JT

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It surprises me that the alternator is turning fast enough to produce an output from D+ and retract the step.

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Post by chrisk on Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:40 pm

gemdeco wrote:Hi
  I always wait until the ignition lights have gone out to engage the starter,I am presuming the glow plugs have warmed the engine and it then starts,could it be the glowplugs have stopped working does it restart easily when hot
regards
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One of those lights are the glow plugs they all go off together(ignition lights) like a Christmas tree when you turn on the ignition.
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Post by chrisk on Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:42 pm

I belong to a sprinter forum part of MB forum might be worth looking on there if you don't get the answer here
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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:54 pm

Update:

Parked up in Wharfedale CMC site. Gave the grey relay, referred to by Peter #1, a wiggle in its seating. Vehicle battery on charge through EHU overnight, next day engine started first thing, no problems. Tried another couple of times over 4 days, starts fine. Started this morning, and drove to Meathop CMC site, stopped once onway, starting problem returned. Voltage checked whilst travelling was 14.1v through cig lighter socket, so alternator seems OK.

Parked up and volts reading 12.5v after 2 hours, but drops rapidly to 12.1v if headlights put on, and back to 12.5v when switched off, so I think the battery is the culprit. It is not the OEM battery but a Platinum Prestige Plus 100AH, must have been changed before I bought in 2014. Any comments in confirmation?

Can any body confirm the dimensions of battery required. This looks about right but..https://www.tayna.co.uk/019-Enduroline-Car-Battery-P8385.html

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Post by Peter Brown on Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:24 pm

Both main Leisure and Starter batteries were identical Mercedes units.

I replaced the Leisure battery in Hull as the second Leisure battery had failed and had to be replaced.  I installed a: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

When I got home I replaced the starter battery with: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Both the YUASA and Duracell come with 5 year warranty and are the same physical dimensions that can be read in the links above.

The YUASA came from Andrew Page, friend I was with has an account, and cost £120 inc vat.  The Duracell came from the tyre/battery place about 300 yds from home and cost £111.60 inc vat


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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:40 pm

Thanks Peter, knew you would come up trumps. Do you agree that the battery is the culprit?

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Post by Peter Brown on Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:53 pm

PLOUGHLIN wrote:Thanks Peter, knew you would come up trumps. Do you agree that the battery is the culprit?

Not necessarily, it could be and intermittent high resistance on the chassis side or +ve. Its a long and torturous route from the battery box under the floor to the jump start connection and starter motor. Having said that if a battery is over three years old I'd change it anyway, although I may have to reconsider that advice as 5 year warranties now seen common.

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Post by Pete Taylor on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:12 pm

Coming rather late to this discussion; firstly, the leisure battery has nothing to do with your problem; have you replaced the 2011 main battery on your van? If not, you have done well! These things are not like car batteries... or even commercial vehicle batteries, which tend to get bashed every day and get used and topped up, whereas we olde-hippy folks might have ours sitting dormant for days/weeks/months.

After a life-time in motor-sports/camping/boating/running old bangers at college there is no finer feeling than fitting a new battery- after all, the cost is a fraction of the pleasure. ;-)

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Post by Peter Brown on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:52 pm

I do wish that people would read the thread before making redundant comments.

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Post by willy eckerslike on Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:08 am

Peter Brown wrote:I do wish that people would read the thread before making redundant comments.
Does this mean that once a staff member has commented all further comments are redundant !! ??

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Post by Peter Brown on Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:24 am

No, what it means is that if the statement "Both main Leisure and Starter batteries were identical Mercedes units" had been read and understood then it is obvious (to me anyway) that the battery used to replace the Leisure Battery does have relevance to the question asked "Can any body confirm the dimensions of battery required"

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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:00 am

Update. Fitted new Yuasa battery as suggested by Peter B. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Engine now starts as normal after standing, so hopefully problem solved.

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