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Post by snow863 on Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:33 pm

We are looking for a lightweight driveaway awning to fit our Kingham.
All those looked at so far don't seem to fit.
The problem is the Peugeot Boxer sliding doors are very tall and very wide when open.
So far I don't seem to be able to find one that has a tunnel wide enough for the sliding door to open without tearing the back end of the tunnel.
We are really wanting to find one that packs down into a bag that we can fit in the under bed storage (so a bag size of about 80 x 30 x 30 cm would be good).
Has anyone out there managed to find one that fits the van and that packs down small enough?

Thanks for any help at all on this one!
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Wargenwolf on Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:20 pm

If you can wait a couple of weeks, I may have an answer for you, or alternatively, I may be joining you and looking for a better solution.

I have placed an order for a Kampa Travel Pod Motion Air XL and to be perfectly honest, I had not considered that the width of the Kingham sliding door may be more than the width of the awning tunnel.

I'm confident that the height of the XL will be sufficient to clear the door and at 3.1 metres wide at the tunnel (less the width of the beams) I would hope this would be enough to accommodate the open door. 
Unfortunately, I don't get my Kingham until next Thursday (13th) so I'm not able to check the distance from the forward point of the side door opening, to the rearmost point of the open door.

Perhaps you could check this measurement and if it is less than 3.1 metres, then it will accommodate the Kampa (or other similar width awnings) as long as they are positioned correctly.

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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by StewPotch on Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:51 pm

Wargenwolf,

Will be interesting to hear how you get on - we were looking at the Kampa too. A driveaway awning is on our list but we've spent a bit too much on the van over the last few months.
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by snow863 on Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:58 pm

The door needs the tunnel to be about 2.8m wide.
I did buy an Outdoor Revolution Movelite Cayman XL which is 3m wide at the foot print so I thought it would be OK.
However the pod and the tunnel narrow down at the top to the point where the tunnel is only 2m wide at the top of the door!
Fortunately the supplier has agreed to take it back.
Just hoping someone out there has found the answer!
Will be very interested to hear if your Kampa fits.
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Wargenwolf on Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:17 pm

Looking at the pictures of the Kampa online, the roof is definitely narrower than the footprint, but the actual measurement isn't provided.

Another member has very kindly agreed to measure the door opening and open door of his Kingham tomorrow, which will go some way to answering the query, but it's all going to depend on the degree of tapering at roof level.

Worst case scenario for me, will be to not connect the Kampa to the Fiamma fascia with the Kadar strip, but to leave it free standing. If necessary, I can keep it close to the van and partially wind out the Fiamma canopy just to take up the gap and provide a bit of cover against the rain ?

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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by snow863 on Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:36 pm

My 2014 Peugeot Boxer AS Kingham door measures 2.7m wide from the front edge of the door opening to the rear most point of the door when opened fully.
The awning rail is 2.5m above ground level.
The only way to find out if the tunnels on these awnings are wide enough is to measure it in the show room yourself or ask the retailer to!
I was at one retailers last weekend who had the Cayman XL in stock but not on display. He couldnt tell me the tunnel width and told me if we bought it and opened the box he wouldnt take it back if it didnt fit!
Needless to say I didnt buy it from him.
I have spent hours on the net and the phone trying to find one the right size!
Almost at the point of giving up and buying a cheap stand alone tent!
We would much prefer a driveaway that attaches properly but if it doesnt there seems little point in spending several hundred quid on what ends up being a tent that you can get from Argos for £75ish!
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Wargenwolf on Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:19 am

snow863 wrote:....We would much prefer a driveaway that attaches properly but if it doesnt there seems little point in spending several hundred quid on what ends up being a tent that you can get from Argos for £75ish!

Agreed and I will let you know how I get on.

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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by snow863 on Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:30 am

Thanks Wargenwolf, all help is much appreciated.
One solution might be to fit a door stop so that the slider holds open half way when you have the awning up.
So I am now looking into this. Will post any success on this as an update.

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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by snow863 on Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:15 pm

Have now had 2 more awning retailers come back to me this morning to tell me there is no light weight awning that will span the Peugeot Boxer door opening.
So I have decided to keep the Cayman XL awning and go with the door stop option.
Have ordered the "Stopsy" which is mentioned in other threads. This should hold the door open half way so it doesn't roll into the back edge of the awning tunnel. Apparently they work and look easy enough to fit. Fingers crossed problem solved!

http://wohnmobil-caravan-zubehoer-shop.buy-box.de/Tuerstopper-Kastenwagen-Stopsy/Stopsy-Tuerstopper-Kastenwagen-Schiebetuer::1.html
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by StewPotch on Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:29 pm

Don't know if you have seen this or if it is any help:

http://www.driveaway-awnings.co.uk/which-awning-will-fit-my-vehicle/
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Wargenwolf on Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:32 pm

Snow863, 

By how much is the door too long (or awning too short) ? 

Are you just talking about a few centimetres, or does the awning need to be much wider than that to clear the fully opened door.


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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Wargenwolf on Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:43 pm

StewPotch wrote:Don't know if you have seen this or if it is any help:

http://www.driveaway-awnings.co.uk/which-awning-will-fit-my-vehicle/

Thanks StewPotch, never seen that before.

My Fiamma wind out is sitting at 2.5m high, which from the chart in your link, leaves me with an awning width at roof height of 2.9, which taking into account the width of any supports, is right on the limit of the fully open door.

With it being such a close measurement, I'm prepared to try the Kampa against the side of the van and will update with the verdict.

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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by snow863 on Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:01 pm

The Cayman XL is too short by 70cm so its not even marginal!
Have ordered the doorstop as this will bring the door width in to the 2m length of the cord on the awning tunnel.
Had seen the link before but its misleading.
With the Peugeot Boxer door being so tall it needs a minimum cord length of 2.7m to clear the door when it slides open.
On the link Stewpotch posted to fit our Kingham the awning needs to be a minimum of 2.7m along dimension "a" and a minimum of 2.5m for height "b".
Anything less wont reach around the perimeter of the sliding door and so the sliding door will tear the back of the awning tunnel.
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Heanorboy on Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:26 am

I only have the Dorset which of course is shorter than the 6m vans but the doors are the same size and go almost all the way to the back of the van.
Yes I have made a door stop to hold the door halfway but even so when using my drive away awning and fitting it to the wind out I leave the wind out open by about 6 inches 15cm and this allows the door to pass the fabric if I do open the door fully also no rubbing of the fabric on the paintwork
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by snow863 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:00 am

Thanks Heanorboy. I did try this but found the top of the door fouled on the windout awning which was not good at all! Will try again next time we get it out.
The door stop works well though so we are at least sorted!
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by snow863 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:57 am

Tried the awning again last night.
Stopsy door stop works really well holds the door in at 2m so door no longer hits the back of the awning tunnel .. pefect.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
I did try winding out our Omnistor to see if its possible to hold the tunnel out 6" or so from the van so we can slide the door fully open past the back of the tunnel. This didnt work for us as the door then snags on the partially wound out omnistor frame.
All I can say is thankyou Stopsy!!
Happy Easter everyone and thanks for all your help.
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Wargenwolf on Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:17 pm

Wargenwolf wrote:
snow863 wrote:....We would much prefer a driveaway that attaches properly but if it doesnt there seems little point in spending several hundred quid on what ends up being a tent that you can get from Argos for £75ish!

Agreed and I will let you know how I get on.
Just as an update for any future readers, the Kampa Travel Pod Motion has exactly the same issue as mentioned by snow863.

A much wider awning would need to be made by all the usual manufacturers to accommodate fully open sliding doors. I'm using mine like Heanorboy, with a gap between the side of the van and the tunnel.

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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by leupold721 on Tue May 16, 2017 12:55 am

Kingham drive away awning I have the answer and will try to remember to post the details tomorrow, it fits perfectly, is air inflated easy to erect, no fowling on door and covers the full length when open so no damage to inner trim, it will go under bed but will need two people to get it out as the bed recess is quite deep.
VANGO .....something .... I will let you know.
We got it at the NEC last year having moved up from a VW T5 and being impressed with our existing drive away awning from VANGO we decided to see if they had a product to fit the kingham and they did and it is great.
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Milliways on Tue May 16, 2017 4:41 pm

Where do you order the Stopsy door stop from?
We use the Movellite Oxygen air 2, but either be careful opening the door as we go in and out, or we put a bit of foam pipe cladding on the top corner of the door to protect it and the tent if we want to hold the door open at its widest point. Having a door stop is not something we have considered.
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by ymfb1 on Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:46 pm

leupold721 wrote:Kingham drive away awning I have the answer and will try to remember to post the details tomorrow, it fits perfectly, is air inflated easy to erect, no fowling on door and covers the full length when open so no damage to inner trim, it will go under bed but will need two people to get it out as the bed recess is quite deep.
VANGO .....something .... I will let you know.
We got it at the NEC last year having moved up from a VW T5 and being impressed with our existing drive away awning from VANGO we decided to see if they had a product to fit the kingham and they did and it is great.
Any news ?
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by bertb on Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:45 am

Milliways, several of us have used a small strip of self adhesive Velcro stuck in the upper track. It has just enough friction to hold the roller. Look on the forum for the thread, I think 'door stop', I will see if I can find it. Much cheaper than a Stopsy and worth a try.
This should be the link
http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/t21435-sliding-door
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Post by leupold721 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:22 pm

Hello to all who have posted on this subject.

To end all speculation and use of stop plug things the answer is a Vango Attar 440 Tall (air beam) purchased from NEC show with good advice.
It does everything you need covers the entrance door and protects when door when fully open. allthumbz
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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by Wargenwolf on Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:21 am

leupold721 wrote:Hello to all who have posted on this subject.

To end all speculation and use of stop plug things the answer is a Vango Attar 440 Tall (air beam) purchased from NEC show with good advice.
It does everything you need covers the entrance door and protects when door when fully open. allthumbz
Thanks for the update, I can see how that width would easily clear the open door.

I just need Vango to bring out a removeable groundsheet for those sites that don't allow sewn in ones, or require them to be lifted. I preferred the slightly better quality (IMO) of the Vango to my Kampa, but my final decision was made on the groundsheet.

Edit - Afterthought...... On a few occasions after bad weather, when I've taken my groundsheet up, it has had patches of earth and worms stuck to the underside, but which has been easily turned over and cleaned before packing. 
Is this easy to do with the sewn in Vango groundsheet.


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Re: Kingham driveaway awning

Post by We Love Hugo on Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:20 pm

With our Vango Kela, we bought the Vango footprint which is basically a separate groundsheet which you can erect the driveaway awning on. This protects the sewn in groundsheet from picking up mud and also being punctured by sharp stones on hard standings
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