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Post by mpbarrett on Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:51 pm

Has anyone brought a new key fob (immobiliser and key) for a 2011 Peugeot Boxer based 2011 Symbol?
We have one remote control key fob and one set of keys but want to get another key fob with ley and remote control. Had a search around and a few companies claim to be able to supply one, strangely mostly within the M25 and a few traders on Ebay. I guess I could get one direct from a dealer but wondered if anyone else has brought a second one for there van.

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by Paulmold on Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:14 pm


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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by Heanorboy on Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:21 pm

Not bought one for the Pug but did buy one for the Ducato I had previous (same difference.
I used a mobile auto locksmith who was over £100 cheaper than Fiat and he came to my home and did the job.
Have a word with a local car sales if you don't know of one or cant find a recommended one on line

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by safariboy on Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:50 pm

Timsons may be able to make one.  They can some radio keys. (but not all)
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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by nimbus on Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:28 pm

I bought a learning rolling code remote from ebay for £7 which has the same functionality as the Boxer remote. There are different types of learning remotes so you need to make sure that you get the correct one. Of course you still need to use the spare key to start the engine.

Whoops, just re-read  the original post and you haven't got the second key. But it might be useful to someone who has!

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by bikeralw on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:03 pm

As has been said, Timsons may be able to help with the key/immobiliser, I don't know about the remote.
I speak from experience as I used to own a modern motorbike that only had one key. Timson inserted my key into their computer which cloned the chip, they then ordered a blank which arrived the next day. Total cost of cloning and cutting the key was £45, a third of what the bike manufacturer was asking.
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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by mpbarrett on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:38 pm

quick update....
Had a mobile auto key man round today to try and he could not read the code  from the CPU to program a remote control fob. He did warn that this was a problem with Peugeot vans.... 
So I can get a key with a RFID tag (transponder) in it and can get it programmed. This will allow the engine to be started.
The only way to get a  working remote fob which will unlock the doors and disable the alarm is to remove the CPU, unsolder the ROM chip, read the data and then put it all back together! About 2 hours work and something they can and will do if needed!
I do have a spare key, that has the  transponder in it and a remote for a secondary alarm system. This is linked into the main alarm system and will disable it. So apart from remote unlocking the doors at least I can get in, without the alarm going off, and start the van.

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by Greyhound on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:53 pm

I had this same issue and have learnt the hard way.

If I went to buy a Peugeot ever again, one of my first requirements would be that it comes with spare keys or I'd walk away, as they as ridiculously hard to get spares made.

I contacted a company in the Midlands (was a link on this forum that i can't find now) and he said he can make a key from the immobilisor chip like you mention for under a 100 notes (just a blade with no remote though), so I'm going to do that next time I'm passing that way.

At one point I even considered bypassing the factory immobiliser (not going into that on a public forum) and getting an aftermarket one fitted so I could get simple blades cut as spares, but then found this company so will at least be nice to keep the van stock.
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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by nimbus on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:54 pm

Uunsoldering a chip from  the cpu seems fraught with danger. If the cpu gets damaged you're into really serious money to fix. Why take the risk when you can buy a rolling code learning remote for a few pounds.

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by Paulmold on Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:31 pm

I don't know if this helps but when I got my Kia it came with a broken second key (blade was fine but broken at hinge pin). Timpsons were able to remove internals from broken key fob and replace in new fob and cut new blade , cost £35.

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by nimbus on Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:20 pm

This is the cloned remote below the original -


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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by mpbarrett on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:56 pm

nimbus wrote:Uunsoldering a chip from  the cpu seems fraught with danger. If the cpu gets damaged you're into really serious money to fix. Why take the risk when you can buy a rolling code learning remote for a few pounds.


with the right equipment (hot air soldering tools) you can remove and replace surface mount chips, in this case a small ROM memory chip.
I am not sure a  rolling code alternative remote would work with this model. he said that it depends what was fitted at the factory, and he had some very nice kit (for reading codes and programming RFID) with him to try to do it. He spent nearly an hour trying to do it....

A full remote control key fob was going to be £165, a new key with transponder £80. They come out to the vehicle to do it.

Where did you get you new fob?

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by nimbus on Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:16 pm

Got it on eBay. There's lots on there and you need to know the chip number on the original remote to ensure you order the correct one. This involves opening the original case and using a magnifying glass to get the number from the top of the chip. Alandris-uk is probably the best eBay seller of these devices as he tends to specialise in them. 

Mine works fine and it was less than a fiver. However, they seem to be more compatible with earlier models - mine is 2009.

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by mpbarrett on Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:41 pm

nimbus wrote:Got it on eBay. There's lots on there and you need to know the chip number on the original remote to ensure you order the correct one. This involves opening the original case and using a magnifying glass to get the number from the top of the chip. Alandris-uk is probably the best eBay seller of these devices as he tends to specialise in them. 

Mine works fine and it was less than a fiver. However, they seem to be more compatible with earlier models - mine is 2009.

Thanks
I will contact him and see what he suggests...

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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by matchlessman on Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:39 pm

From memory, (bit cloudy and confusing as new van is different again).

The key with the remote built in also contains an immobiliser. It will do everything, lock/unlock and turn the alarm on and off at the press of a button.

The separate key without the built in remote will unlock the doors manually (perish the thought) and also contains an immobiliser chip so will allow the engine to start. It does not however disable the alarm. for that you need the remote fob which is attached. This remote fob only controls the alarm, it does not unlock the doors. 

The guy who fitted the alarm system could not get it to also do the locks because it was not possible to access the Pug security to allow another remote to be coded to it. You should have his details in the information passed over. He should be able to advise if it is possible (at a sensible price) to get another Pug key with built in remote coded up. I think it might be prohibitive. 

I used the 'one piece' key all the time and Mrs Matchlessman carried the spare key with alarm fob in her handbag 'just in case'. I certainly never had any issue with the keys, neither did Mrs M on the few occasions she need to use the key with separate remote.

Hope you're enjoying the van as much as we did and you sorted the gas issue caused by the dealer.
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Re: Symbol 2011 new key an fob?

Post by mpbarrett on Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:42 pm

Yes the spare key works fine. The guy we used could not get another key coded to the Peugeot alarm, apparently its very difficult with some , hence the need to pull the cpu apart are remove and clone the rom.... So we can live without a second remote control!
Van is lovely very pleased with it. Got the gas system sorted but at some cost. Less than impressed by the dealer we brought it from. Doesn't matter as the van is great.
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