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Re: Water Pump

Post by paul bullock on Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:47 pm

Me again! just tried the search , and the easiest way to get to the topic is to just type in"reduced" gets straight there Regards     Paul
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Re: Water Pump

Post by dbroada on Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:52 pm

seanroberts037 wrote:Urgent help required away in Auto-sleeper Broadway no water at all, can here pump running nothing from.taps at all no idea where pressure switch is

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If you can look at my posts from this summer I had this too. I just kept turning the taps on and off and eventually the pump picked up and ran correctly. Obviously changing the pump would be the solution long term but if you are currently camping I would suggest that you keep trying.

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Re: Water Pump

Post by seanroberts037 on Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:00 pm

Cheers Paul, will keep you guys updated
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Re: Water Pump

Post by Paramedic on Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:45 am

Hi Sean, hopefully this might end your plight on possibility of an air lock. If you link to Members Factsheets section and scroll down to 'Airlocks by roli' dated March 20 2016 it explains method of clearing airlock. If you haven't readily got the length of hose, suggest sucking on the bathroom tap for ease of application (sucking). On another forum there is  mention of turning on tap for at least 30 secs that has produced results.

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Re: Water Pump

Post by rgermain on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:08 am

Very interesting reading and I have seen the reply by MoggyMinor and I am now thinking about fitting a Shurflo to my van as a DIY job.

I am posting this in the wrong section I know, as I have a Warwick Duo, but hoping somebody has fitted one, as I don't expect my submerged pump to last.

The area around the water heater etc seems rather congested, so hoping for some advise please.

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Post by Gromit on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:21 am

Hi Richard

I don't think it much matters where you put the pump. It will be above the level of the tank anyway, so draining down for the winter won't be a problem.

The chap who fitted ours at A/S Service Centre discussed several possible locations with me, but he did suggest leaving it accessible, just in case its pressure switch needs adjustment at any time. He said it is extremely unlikely, but it's a fiddle if it does and you can't easily get at it.

He fitted ours to the floor of the van rather than on a vertical panel to keep it as quiet as possible. If fitted to a large panel it can act as a sound board and make the pump too noisy.

Apart from those considerations, put it where it suits best. You can always make a wooden box to cover it if you think it's vulnerable.

If you plan to fit one at some time, do it now. If (or when) your submersible gives up the ghost you can be sure it will be on the first evening of a three week holiday to France. Mr Sod (he of the infamous Law) is never off duty. so_sad  snigger

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Re: Water Pump

Post by bikeralw on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:41 am

Can someone tell me why AS went from a reliable (Shurflo) water pump that will most likely outlast the van (ours is 12 years old and never missed a beat), to a cheap caravan type submersible that will almost certainly give problems even before the van warranty is out?
It seems false economy to my mind. Say if fitting the Shurflo instead adds £30 at build stage, it's a mere nothing on top of the high cost of a new van.
Plus AS would not be getting all this adverse publicity regarding failing pumps..
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Post by dbroada on Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:39 pm

bikeralw wrote:It seems false economy to my mind. Say if fitting the Shurflo instead adds £30 at build stage, it's a mere nothing on top of the high cost of a new van.
Unfortunately bean counters and shareholders are usually only interested in today's profit. I have worked at companies where they would happily spend £500 on a redesign to save £0.10 on a component part. While this is acceptable in the motor industry fitting a million £0.10 components a week, I have never worked in high volume production.

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Post by Gromit on Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:44 pm

bikeralw wrote:Can someone tell me why AS went from a reliable (Shurflo) water pump that will most likely outlast the van (ours is 12 years old and never missed a beat), to a cheap caravan type submersible that will almost certainly give problems even before the van warranty is out?
It seems false economy to my mind. Say if fitting the Shurflo instead adds £30 at build stage, it's a mere nothing on top of the high cost of a new van.
Plus AS would not be getting all this adverse publicity regarding failing pumps..
Al.

And at risk of upsetting those who actually like the daft caravan filler gadget scratch head , if A/S had stuck to the Shurflo pump and the bomb proof hole in the wall filler, they would have saved far more money, and there would have been no complaints at all 'cos there's nothing to go wrong! shrugg

I think it's all down to conning the public with fancy new "must have" gadgets on new vans, like the overcab skylight that robs a lot of storage space and roasts bald heads when you drive in the sunshine. The "Wow" factor certainly works when persuading people to buy, but it doesn't always last long when you have to live with it.

There we are then - that's upset two thirds of our members with one post snigger , but I don't apologise for preferring "agricultural" engineering which we can all fix with a big hammer, and I certainly don't think it's a good idea to carry on installing fancy gadgets when it's pretty obvious they are not universally popular!

The fact that A/S are now installing the hole in the wall as well as the caravan filler should tell us something. Pity about the Shurflo, but I bet they go back to it! Whistle1

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Re: Water Pump

Post by Junige36 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:58 pm

The last time we had an air lock, taking the van around the block cleared it . Also found on filling from completely empty ...not opening taps until untilwater is 50% full seems to prevent airlock so on the neuvo.
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Re: Water Pump

Post by bikeralw on Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:11 pm

I agree entirely Dave. I wouldn't be surprised if AS, under their new ownership, advertise vans of the future with the line 'New uprated and improved water pump fitted to 2019 models.'
Which, as us old stagers know, is really going back to what actually worked...
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Post by paul bullock on Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:12 pm

Hi, it isn't that submersible pumps  are rubbish , its the fact cheap quality submersible pumps are! We had a Hymer for nearly 9 Yrs with a submersible and it never ever missed a beat!                    Regards     Paul
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Re: Water Pump

Post by rgermain on Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:01 pm

Gromit wrote:Hi Richard

I don't think it much matters where you put the pump. It will be above the level of the tank anyway, so draining down for the winter won't be a problem.

The chap who fitted ours at A/S Service Centre discussed several possible locations with me, but he did suggest leaving it accessible, just in case its pressure switch needs adjustment at any time. He said it is extremely unlikely, but it's a fiddle if it does and you can't easily get at it.

He fitted ours to the floor of the van rather than on a vertical panel to keep it as quiet as possible. If fitted to a large panel it can act as a sound board and make the pump too noisy.

Apart from those considerations, put it where it suits best. You can always make a wooden box to cover it if you think it's vulnerable.

If you plan to fit one at some time, do it now. If (or when) your submersible gives up the ghost you can be sure it will be on the first evening of a three week holiday to France. Mr Sod (he of the infamous Law) is never off duty. so_sad  snigger

Thank you Dave. Yes I think I had better get it sorted as we are off to France in May and don't really want to be without pumped water!

I will make enquires at the Dealer first before jumping in head first and see what they quote.

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Re: Water Pump

Post by Gromit on Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:19 pm

Hi again Richard

I found the invoice from A/S Service Dept and they charged £150 inclusive of the price of the Shurflo pump.

It took them about an hour and a half by the time they had tested it and declared it all working well. This should help if your dealer quotes a silly price. up!

They dropped the tank, removed the submersible and replaced it with a proper pick up. Then they pulled the wires back up through the wardrobe floor and connected them to the new pump. The redundant pressure switch was discarded and the water pipe was neatly re-routed and clipped down. All in all a very good job, and to be honest it was not worth doing it myself - just in case something didn't work!

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Post by moggyminor1966 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:06 pm

Well when I replaced the pump on my Nuevo II I simply left the existing submersible in place as the Shurflo pump pulls the water through fine. The old pump keeps the pick up in the tank at the bottom. Fitted the pump to the back wall of the wardrobe which made connecting up simpler but was noisier against the wall but got used to it and the pressure and flow was so much better. 
In my new motorhome there is a Shurflo pump.
The pump cost about £50 on eBay so a cheap job if you are up to diy!
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Post by Gromit on Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:17 pm

moggyminor1966 wrote:Well when I replaced the pump on my Nuevo II I simply left the existing submersible in place as the Shurflo pump pulls the water through fine. The old pump keeps the pick up in the tank at the bottom. 
I expected them to do it that way Moggy, but when they said they would fit a pukka pick-up for no extra cash I let them get on with it.

A few years ago I would also have done it myself, but old age creeps on, and I'm sure my knees are at least 20 years older than the rest of me! Whistle1  snigger

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Post by moggyminor1966 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:46 pm

smile! Know what you mean Dave about getting harder as you get older. I have been under my new camper to do a few improvements and find getting up again difficult to say the least. My mind wants to do it but my body disagrees!
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Post by paul bullock on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:01 pm

Hi Moggy, good to see you again on the forum,you certainly pointed me in the right direction with the Shurflo thanks again! Can I just be nosy and ask what M/H youve got now and how you find it?        Kind regards                  Paul up!
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Post by rgermain on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:16 pm

HI Dave and MoggyMinor, Thanks for the help. If local dealer is not suitable, I will take a trip to Broadway, asking them first and make a few days away at the same time before our 4 week French trip.

I agree getting under the van is becoming a problem and even more getting back on my feet again, oh what we used to do. I let the pension pay for it these days and as you say might make a mess of it, costing more money in the long run.

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Post by moggyminor1966 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:08 pm

paul bullock wrote:Hi Moggy, good to see you again on the forum,you certainly pointed me in the right direction with the Shurflo thanks again! Can I just be nosy and ask what M/H youve got now and how you find it?        Kind regards                  Paul up!
Hi Paul now got a Benimar Mileo 202 with a drop down bed. So far we like it and at 6m just a bit longer than the Nuevo. Benimar are part of the Trigano group which now A/S are part of. smile!
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Post by inspiredron on Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:18 am

I too had a Hymer, mine for nearly 11 years. It had a submersible pump and I think it was a Whsle same as my Lancashire - but cannot swear to it. I only ever had a problem once and that was when the outlet pipe slipped off the pump ouglet just aftef Mrs Ron was fullg skaped in the xhower on a cool autumn evening. Rinsing off with a jug of coldish water was not sppreciated. It was a fifteen minute job tk fix as the tank was in one kf the seat lockers and had a large access cap on top plus another cap through which inlet and ouglef pies and the water level probe rkds (not just sgus!) went.
I have now had 5 seasons use from my submersible pump and it hasn't missed a beat

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