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Post by Robe on Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:04 pm

2006 Nuevo ES will not start despite rocker switch indicating battery is fully charged.
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Post by Paulmold on Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:19 pm

The rocker switch on the control panel only gives the state of the leisure battery. You will need a voltmeter to check your engine battery.

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Post by Robe on Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:28 pm

Rocker switch has 2 settings; vehicle and habitat,
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Post by Paulmold on Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:36 pm

That is for selecting which battery you want the charger to deliver it's charge to when hooked up to the mains. Irrespective of the position of the rocker switch , the battery state meter only shows the leisure battery.

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Post by Robe on Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:48 pm

The vehicle has been left connected to the mains for night/day and therefore, I would expect both batteries to be fully charged as indicated by the control panel but ignition does not turn the engine over. All lights/ indicators will illuminate
so it does appear battery is charged but still no ignition.
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Post by boxerman on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:06 pm

Paul is trying to help you here and all he's getting are arrogant responses.
Do you not believe in 'Please' or 'Thank you?.

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Post by Robe on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:43 pm

Was just keeping response to minimum and certainly didn't mean to be arrogant. 

I've learnt from Paul that the control panel only indicates where the charge is being directed and not the state of the  charge to the battery which I was certainly not aware of. Not sure however, how I can check the status of the vehicle battery charge without a voltmeter.
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Post by boxerman on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:48 pm

And have you thanked Paul for giving you this information?

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Post by Paulmold on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:53 pm

Robe wrote:Was just keeping response to minimum and certainly didn't mean to be arrogant. 

I've learnt from Paul that the control panel only indicates where the charge is being directed and not the state of the  charge to the battery which I was certainly not aware of. Not sure however, how I can check the status of the vehicle battery charge without a voltmeter.
If still on hook up, suggest you put rocker switch to 'vehicle' and leave to charge overnight or longer and then see if it will start. If you can beg or borrow a voltmeter then check voltage.

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Post by rogerblack on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:01 pm

It does however seem odd that your lights work.  
If you put your headlights on full, then turn the ignition key do the lights dim or not?  
If they don't dim, then your (engine) battery is probably OK, meaning you have another problem, such as immobiliser not deactivating,  jammed starter, or something else.

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Post by rogerblack on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:08 pm

Robe wrote: . . . Not sure however, how I can check the status of the vehicle battery charge without a voltmeter.

You can get devices which plug into the cigar lighter socket which will tell you the voltage of your engine battery, either by means of coloured LEDs or an actual voltage readout. These are sometimes built into multipoint adaptors, USB charger adaptors, etc. 

Readily available from ebay, Amazon, Halfords, etc.
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Post by -mojo- on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:08 pm

Agreed - we need more info about exactly what happens when an engine start is attempted - whether there is a click or other noise, whether the dash lights stay on at full brightness or go dim to start with. If nothing happens at all then a faulty ignition switch is a possibility, but there are a lot of other ones too...
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Post by PLOUGHLIN on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:17 pm

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Robe wrote: . . . Not sure however, how I can check the status of the vehicle battery charge without a voltmeter.

You can get devices which plug into the cigar lighter socket which will tell you the voltage of your engine battery, either by means of coloured LEDs or an actual voltage readout. These are sometimes built into multipoint adaptors, USB charger adaptors, etc. 

Readily available from ebay, Amazon, Halfords, etc.
Very expensive though, £1.60 inc delivery. hugegrins

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Post by Robe on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:58 pm

Tx for all the help.

I've connected to Mains and will check status tomorrow. On a quick check it does appear that the Hab battery may be fully charged whilst the vehicle battery; which had indicated full charge; is now flat. Attempting to start ignition with drive lights on causes lights to dim.
The control panel rocker switch with no Mains connection to vehicle shows Hab charge full and vehicle charge just above empty. When the switch is changed to vehicle from Hab the interior van lights dim.

Tx for the voltage indicator tip Roger/Ploughlin. I'll purchase one tomorrow.
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Post by Paulmold on Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:51 pm

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Post by Greyhound on Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:32 am

Robe wrote:I've connected to Mains and will check status tomorrow. On a quick check it does appear that the Hab battery may be fully charged whilst the vehicle battery; which had indicated full charge; is now flat. Attempting to start ignition with drive lights on causes lights to dim.
The control panel rocker switch with no Mains connection to vehicle shows Hab charge full and vehicle charge just above empty. When the switch is changed to vehicle from Hab the interior van lights dim.

Have you made sure the battery rocker switch is set to vehicle?

If you had EHU with the rocker set to Hab only, then that could be why it has run down overtime. I think the middle setting charges both batteries together or you can use the rocker to isolate one.

I have a solar panel so I have the rocker set permanently to the vehicle battery to make sure it's always charged fully on EHU.

I consider a voltmeter one of those 'must have' items in my tool kit in the van. Basic ones are so cheap now, but that little gadget should do the job nicely.
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Post by Paulmold on Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:36 am

The central position of the rocker switch will charge both but at an exceptionally low rate which probably won't cover the natural discharge of the batteries. Best to ignore the central position and select hab or vehicle. I leave mine on hab all the time as I have solar panel and a battery-master to keep vehicle battey topped up.

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Post by logburner on Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:11 pm

Batterymaster, or something similar, is definitely the way to go, IMO.......fit and leave on, you can forget about it. hugegrins
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Post by KMRTOPAZ on Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:18 pm

Having read these posts from the start to this point, the only "arrogance" I have noted is from Boxerman himself. As far as "thanks" are concerned, many members do this when signing off at the completion of the thread.
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Post by Robe on Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:37 pm

I am not sure why but ignition now seems to be working perfectly.

Taking into account the advice/help above I left the vehicle connected to the Mains with switch to Hab and checked the panel which showed full charge to Hab & Veh however the reading slowly decayed to empty. All 3 switch positions; Hab, Central and Veh; decayed at the same rate proving as advised that the position just indicate the direction of charge. This wasn't great as it now appeared that the Hab was flat.

Left vehicle on charge overnight; more in hope than expectation; with switch to Veh but next morning switch positions indicated fully charged and held steady ..... engine started immediately.

Fingers crossed charge appears steady so I am now back to where I was 2 days when I only wanted to move the vehicle 6 inches or so to change tyre positions. A cigarette lighter connection battery check meter is on its was so I'll keep a watchful eye on it in future.

Tx again for all who responded with the exception of Barrowman whose comments were neither helpful nor appreciated.
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Post by Robe on Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:38 pm

Oops!! Should have read Boxerman not Barrowman - humble apologies for the slip.
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Post by Paulmold on Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:27 pm

So your still convinced that the battery meter reads both batteries?

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Post by Robe on Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:16 pm

No, I agree with you. I had initially thought that, as the battery meter is calibrated E to F in quarter divisions with the apparent option to measure Hab and Veh charge, it must do just that. However, as all switch positions decayed at the same rate I agree that they all ref the Hab battery. This is supported by the Manual by exception in that it states " With the master switch on, a reading will be displayed continuously showing the voltage of the habitation battery" with no ref to the vehicle battery.
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Post by Paulmold on Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:41 pm

Thank you.

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Post by rogerblack on Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:09 pm

I don't know whether your has the same function as on our Pollensa - the meter serves a dual purpose as continuous voltage indicator for the leisure battery except when a little grey button beside it is pushed when it becomes a fresh water tank level indicator, hence (E)mpty and (F)ull

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