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Post by malibu on Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:36 am

I am trying to add a little more storage to my devon and was wondering if any one had added a box below there bike rack or had any suggestions for storage so as to free up my side lockers,  we have a large folding satellite dish on the roof and do not want extra height on the van.smile!
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Post by Quilter on Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:15 am

No good for solid items obviously but using vacuum packing bags to store clothes, extra bedclothes etc can make a lot of difference to how much you can get in a small space and free up lockers for other stuff..

Choose the roll up kind not the ones that need a vacuum cleaner to evacuate them. It's worth buying good quality ones rather than Poundshop types as the seals are better and they don't re-inflate over time. Surprisingly clothes don't crease anything like as much as expected. I put in a small piece of fabric softener paper ( the sort you buy for tumble dryers) which keeps contents smelling fresh.
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Post by roli on Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:03 am

I recently saw a homemade box mounted underneath the bike rack (on an Autocruise) I meant to take a photo but the time I had got camera out it had gone
If any of the ASOC members on here who were at the Irish Rally saw this any pictures ??

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Post by malibu on Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:56 am

Quilter wrote:No good for solid items obviously but using vacuum packing bags to store clothes, extra bedclothes etc can make a lot of difference to how much you can get in a small space and free up lockers for other stuff..

Choose the roll up kind not the ones that need a vacuum cleaner to evacuate them. It's worth buying good quality ones rather than Poundshop types as the seals are better and they don't re-inflate over time. Surprisingly clothes don't crease anything like as much as expected. I put in a small piece of fabric softener paper ( the sort you buy for tumble dryers) which keeps contents smelling fresh.
Thanks for that, might try that on non everyday stuff
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Post by malibu on Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:59 am

roli wrote:I recently saw a homemade box mounted underneath the bike rack (on an Autocruise) I meant to take a photo but the time I had got camera out it had gone
If any of the ASOC members on here who were at the Irish Rally saw this any pictures ??
HI,what was the box made of and did you notice how he fixed it to the van, thanks for your help
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Post by burlingtonboaby on Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:59 am

If you mount a box or similar underneath the bike rack would it not obstruct the rear lights/ indicators etc, ?.
You would have to make up a marker light board to attach to the rear. 
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Post by Quilter on Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:05 am

I don't know what the rear axle rating is for your van but beware of overloading it. If you have a rear kitchen then you already have quite a load there, plus bikes and rack. Adding a box with heavy items in it might take you over the limit or at least mean you have to look at how you load the van internally.
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Post by roli on Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:58 pm

It was mounted with u bolts from the top of the box to the underside of the cycle rack
Another option the is a Duetto parked near me where he has a box on the bike rack and another rack mounted underneath on his tow bar (tow bar permitting !)

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Post by malibu on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:12 am

burlingtonboaby wrote:If you mount a box or similar underneath the bike rack would it not obstruct the rear lights/ indicators etc, ?.
You would have to make up a marker light board to attach to the rear. 
Correct me if I'm away with the loons 
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food for thought, thanks for that
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Post by malibu on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:18 am

roli wrote:It was mounted with u bolts from the top of the box to the underside of the cycle rack
Another option the is a Duetto parked near me where he has a box on the bike rack and another rack mounted underneath on his tow bar (tow bar permitting !)
thats not a bad idea,give that some thought confused3
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Post by malibu on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:22 am

Quilter wrote:I don't know what the rear axle rating is for your van but beware of overloading it. If you have a rear kitchen then you already have quite a load there, plus bikes and rack. Adding a box with heavy items in it might take you over the limit or at least mean you have to look at how you load the van internally.
have that in the back of my mind ,it is only for things like ground sheet footwear and bulky light stuff and my steadies handle etc
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Post by Quilter on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:49 am

Have you space for a Beenybox/Genie Drawer ? These are custom-made drawers that fit in the skirt of the van.

We've had 2 on past vans, both made by the well-respected Beenybox company in Camborne but I believe they are not in business at the moment.   They were a huge success for us and, if it were not for the lack of suitable places to put one, we'd have one on our current Broadway.

I believe that Genie Drawers of Dewsbury aka J.H. Caravans, make them and are also well thought of.

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Post by Weymouth John on Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:11 am

roli wrote:It was mounted with u bolts from the top of the box to the underside of the cycle rack
Another option the is a Duetto parked near me where he has a box on the bike rack and another rack mounted underneath on his tow bar (tow bar permitting !)
It would be very easy to go over the max weight limit for the bike rack if you put bikes and a box on them.
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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:42 am

You may have room for this beenybox in the skirt?extra storrage for devon  Image11
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Post by malibu on Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:03 am

Redwink wrote:You may have room for this beenybox in the skirt?[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
thanks for that ,appreciate your help  up!
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Post by Quilter on Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:05 pm

You might find an article on extending your van storage via back/roof boxes etc in the current ( August 2016)  MMM magazine of interest. It gives some good advice on weights etc.

You can buy the edition to read online via their app.
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Post by Gromit on Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:14 pm

Hi Malibu

A bit of lateral thinking here! content

Assuming your Devon has the same layout and gas locker as our 2010 Nuevo EK did, have you considered fitting an underslung gas tank?

Beeny boxes are good, but very expensive for what they are, and no solution is going to be cheap. If you had an underslung tank fitted you would have the benefit of cheap and very convenient LPG, and no problems with compatibility when holidaying across the Channel, nor any need for spare cylinders since topping up is so easy.

That would release your gas locker, the internal walls of which can be easily removed in their entirety to extend the underbed storage very considerably. (This assumes a side bench, end kitchen layout of course.) A false floor to extend the underbed space without having a well at one end is also easy enough, so you are left with a much bigger underbed, plus a small space under the false floor for tools and bits and pieces. It worked for us, and was a massive enhancement of an already good van.

The cost may not be too different to a Beeny or back box, and you would have all the benefits of the underfloor tank.

Just a thought.

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:36 am

That's a good thought Dave, any pictures?
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Post by Gromit on Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:46 am

Redwink wrote:That's a good thought Dave, any pictures?

I don't know Redwink.

I was thinking last night that someone would ask. I'm sure I would have taken some, but can't remember where I stored them among the (literally) thousands of photos - courtesy of the digital era! shrugg  I'll have a look.

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P.S. Think I must have lost the photos - sorry.

I can describe the process for you if you decide to go ahead on your van. Making the "false" floor was fiddly, rather than difficult, and stripping out the gas locker top and sides was surprisingly easy, and didn't leave any unsightly mess. The underslung tank was a great advantage, specially abroad. No more having to make sure both gas bottles were full before we set out, and the trail of blood after changing a bottle was a thing of the past . . . . always in the pitch dark and in the middle of a blizzard of course!! cold
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Post by malibu on Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:26 pm

Gromit wrote:Hi Malibu

A bit of lateral thinking here! content

Assuming your Devon has the same layout and gas locker as our 2010 Nuevo EK did, have you considered fitting an underslung gas tank?

Beeny boxes are good, but very expensive for what they are, and no solution is going to be cheap. If you had an underslung tank fitted you would have the benefit of cheap and very convenient LPG, and no problems with compatibility when holidaying across the Channel, nor any need for spare cylinders since topping up is so easy.

That would release your gas locker, the internal walls of which can be easily removed in their entirety to extend the underbed storage very considerably. (This assumes a side bench, end kitchen layout of course.) A false floor to extend the underbed space without having a well at one end is also easy enough, so you are left with a much bigger underbed, plus a small space under the false floor for tools and bits and pieces. It worked for us, and was a massive enhancement of an already good van.

The cost may not be too different to a Beeny or back box, and you would have all the benefits of the underfloor tank.

Just a thought.

Dave itable:smile!:
 That sounds a great idea ,as not to shore about beeny boxes as they seem open  to corrosion if made from metal as the photos of them i have seen,thanks
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Post by Quilter on Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:37 pm


 That sounds a great idea ,as not to shore about beeny boxes as they seem open  to corrosion if made from metal as the photos of them i have seen,thanks


No, they don't corrode. They are heavily treated  ( galvanised ?) and both of ours were clean and shiny when the vans were sold after years of trouble-free use. One was a bit deformed by an encounter with a kerb at Leon aire but after amateur panel beating and gaffer tape internally neither leaked or corroded.
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Post by malibu on Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:45 pm

Quilter wrote:

 That sounds a great idea ,as not to shore about beeny boxes as they seem open  to corrosion if made from metal as the photos of them i have seen,thanks


No, they don't corrode. They are heavily treated  ( galvanised ?) and both of ours were clean and shiny when the vans were sold after years of trouble-free use. One was a bit deformed by an encounter with a kerb at Leon aire but after amateur panel beating and gaffer tape internally neither leaked or corroded.
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Post by malibu on Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:27 am

malibu wrote:
Gromit wrote:Hi Malibu

A bit of lateral thinking here! content

Assuming your Devon has the same layout and gas locker as our 2010 Nuevo EK did, have you considered fitting an underslung gas tank?

Beeny boxes are good, but very expensive for what they are, and no solution is going to be cheap. If you had an underslung tank fitted you would have the benefit of cheap and very convenient LPG, and no problems with compatibility when holidaying across the Channel, nor any need for spare cylinders since topping up is so easy.

That would release your gas locker, the internal walls of which can be easily removed in their entirety to extend the underbed storage very considerably. (This assumes a side bench, end kitchen layout of course.) A false floor to extend the underbed space without having a well at one end is also easy enough, so you are left with a much bigger underbed, plus a small space under the false floor for tools and bits and pieces. It worked for us, and was a massive enhancement of an already good van.

The cost may not be too different to a Beeny or back box, and you would have all the benefits of the underfloor tank.

Just a thought.

Dave itable:smile!:
 That sounds a great idea ,as not to shore about beeny boxes as they seem open  to corrosion if made from metal as the photos of them i have seen,thanks
this will sound a silly question, but as i am a bit of a novice ,are gas bottle a lot safer then a gas tank  scratch head
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Post by Gromit on Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:27 am

malibu wrote:
this will sound a silly question, but as i am a bit of a novice ,are gas bottle a lot safer then a gas tank  scratch head
I'm not a gas engineer, but I would say an underslung tank is safer than bottles.

There are a lot more connections with a two bottle setup for a start, and some of them have to be undone and done up again whenever a bottle is changed. A tank will be tucked up inside the chassis, which is about as well protected as you can get, and no connections need ever be touched after installation.

I'd suggest you phone Chris Wise at Autogas 2000. Unfortunately he's a long way from you in Thirsk, but he's a really nice and helpful chap and his workmanship is second to none. (He's also a serving member of the Gas Safety Council I think.) I'm sure he will advise you.
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When he fitted our tank on the previous van we stayed overnight at his workshop (free hook-up) and made it part of a holiday. It's a lovely part of the world too!

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Post by malibu on Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:44 pm

Gromit wrote:
malibu wrote:
this will sound a silly question, but as i am a bit of a novice ,are gas bottle a lot safer then a gas tank  scratch head
I'm not a gas engineer, but I would say an underslung tank is safer than bottles.

There are a lot more connections with a two bottle setup for a start, and some of them have to be undone and done up again whenever a bottle is changed. A tank will be tucked up inside the chassis, which is about as well protected as you can get, and no connections need ever be touched after installation.

I'd suggest you phone Chris Wise at Autogas 2000. Unfortunately he's a long way from you in Thirsk, but he's a really nice and helpful chap and his workmanship is second to none. (He's also a serving member of the Gas Safety Council I think.) I'm sure he will advise you.
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When he fitted our tank on the previous van we stayed overnight at his workshop (free hook-up) and made it part of a holiday. It's a lovely part of the world too!

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Will give him a ring, thanks for all your help
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