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Post by plato2012 on Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:24 am

I am considering having a hydraulic self levelling system fitted to my Mercedes Stanton. If I do not put down the steadies each time we pitch the unit rocks about too much but the steadies are difficult to get at without unloading bikes and folding up the bike rack.

Has anyone had a system fitted? Can you recommend a fitter? I would welcome guidance and views.

I am looking at the E&P system, are there others to consider?

Weight is always an issue but presumably I can get the original steadies removed, how much do they weigh?

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Post by Gromit on Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:59 am

Hi Plato

There's a discussion here that may help.

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Three thousand pounds seems an awful lot to get the van steady!! If it's of any interest I modified my arthritic friend's caravan so he could easily use his corner steadies.

I simply fixed some short lengths of plastic kitchen waste pipe so the inner end was shrouding the nut on the steady. The outer end stuck out a couple of inches from the van body so he could easily insert the socket end of his winder. He had an extended winder made so he could reach past the bikes, and used a battery drill to do the winding. Just shove the socket into the tube and it finds its own way onto the nut.

It worked a treat and cost him a bottle of Chateau Rouge Tres Ordinaire! up!

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Post by Anthony Salamone on Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:09 pm

Hi I've just bought a stanton fitted the VB full air suspension cost 4000 because the noise steering rocking and rolling,drove me mad sprinters don't drive with too much weight.So i put a wheel carrier spare wheel took the steadies of to save weight.I looked at the self levellers at the NEC show too much weight for a stanton in my opinion for what you get as i always look for hard standing..The VB is on ambulances made to stop rocking takes more weight can adjust to get on ferrys up or down with hand set behind the drivers chair conrad allen fitted it had to make the water tank smaller not much but as we don't shower no worries.. Small van small weight try not to over load..Just to say best thing i did as the ride is so much safer at 60 to 70 mph with side wind lorrys passing.Got a spare wheel..
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Post by Peter Brown on Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:51 pm

plato2012 wrote:

Weight is always an issue but presumably I can get the original steadies removed, how much do they weigh?

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It's not just the weight of the rams, there is a hydraulic control unit and pump. I've looked at a couple of systems at the NEC over the years and they are all far too heavy for use on any AS Motorhome.

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Post by Anthony Salamone on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:04 pm

Not much ..It may be a good idear load up go to a weigh bridge see front and back weight if you have auto its heavy ..Any weight saving helps fuel ..Self levellers are for A class and RVs with loads of over hang And of course 4 whell caravans that park on grass your steadies should stop rocking when parked .. Hope this helps
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Post by fmh22 on Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:56 pm

We have had hydraulic self levelling fitted to our Nuevo and love it. It is so easy to arrive on site in the pouring rain press a button and be level without getting wet. Chucked the jack into the garage at home - don't need it as we can raise the wheel without it. Don't need to fill up a box with heavy levelling blocks. Not had any problems with the extra weight (checked on weighbridge) when loaded. It also provides a talking point every time we pitch up with front wheels in the air. I would guess it is also a help in putting off a thief as it would slow them down having to drop it back onto its wheels before heading off into the distance - though locking wheel bolts essential!
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Post by Peter Brown on Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:09 pm

fmh22 wrote:We have had hydraulic self levelling fitted to our Nuevo and love it. It is so easy to arrive on site in the pouring rain press a button and be level without getting wet. Chucked the jack into the garage at home - don't need it as we can raise the wheel without it. Don't need to fill up a box with heavy levelling blocks. Not had any problems with the extra weight (checked on weighbridge) when loaded. It also provides a talking point every time we pitch up with front wheels in the air. I would guess it is also a help in putting off a thief as it would slow them down having to drop it back onto its wheels before heading off into the distance - though locking wheel bolts essential!

I don't need convincing of the benefits, I just haven't found a system light enough to fit. What is your system?

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Post by plato2012 on Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:31 pm

Thanks for your all your comments. I am after the convenience factor. We seldom stay anywhere more than two nights and almost never on a proper site with a level pitch (except when wintering in Spain).. 

I have done more research and have checked the vehicle laden weight and fortunately the Stanton has over 600kg of loading capacity. With two up, full fuel, bikes, chairs food and drink we still have over 100kg spare. I have looked at three systems, GlideRite, E&P Hydraulics and AS Air Systems, they weigh between 39kg and 65kg and cost between £4250 and £4995. With the exception of AS, everything can be accommodated below floor level, important due to the lack of storage space in the Stanton. I just now need confirmation that there is sufficient space under floor (Auto Sleeper could not find space for a spare wheel) and that means a trip to Birmingham.

Which system did you have fitted fmh22?

I will update this post when decisions have been finalised and a system fitted.

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Post by fmh22 on Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:13 pm

plato2012 wrote:Thanks for your all your comments. I am after the convenience factor. We seldom stay anywhere more than two nights and almost never on a proper site with a level pitch (except when wintering in Spain).. 

I have done more research and have checked the vehicle laden weight and fortunately the Stanton has over 600kg of loading capacity. With two up, full fuel, bikes, chairs food and drink we still have over 100kg spare. I have looked at three systems, GlideRite, E&P Hydraulics and AS Air Systems, they weigh between 39kg and 65kg and cost between £4250 and £4995. With the exception of AS, everything can be accommodated below floor level, important due to the lack of storage space in the Stanton. I just now need confirmation that there is sufficient space under floor (Auto Sleeper could not find space for a spare wheel) and that means a trip to Birmingham.

Which system did you have fitted fmh22?

I will update this post when decisions have been finalised and a system fitted.
Hi Plato2012

I had the system fitted by AS Air Systems near Warrington and was delighted with the service they provided. It does take up some space in one of the bed boxes but we can live with that compared with the space taken up by a couple of levelling ramps. It also freed up some room in the tool box under the passenger seat when we dumped the jack into the garage at home. If you take off the weight of the jack and a couple of levelling blocks from the weight of the levelling system you get a better idea of the net weight of the system.
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Post by FOA on Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:01 pm

We have a 3.5 tonne 2098 Devon fitted with the E&P system. It was allready fitted to our van when we purchased it last year. Have found it very useful, especially the tilt option which speeds up tank emptying. However what you will find is that many sites are not as flat as they seem, we found this particularly in C&C sites, and the system could not cope with levelling automatically and I had to use the manual button, which is Ok when used to it. Infact I prefer to do it manually now. Anyway makes the van very stable. According to the E&P rep at NEC one can use the system with all wheels off the ground, but i feel nervous doing that. Also I do not elevate the van too much in high winds. If you try to drive off with the legs down they automatically retract on releasing the handbrake. At the weighbridge it is 3180kg unladen but including driver and full fuel and fresh water and WC flushing tanks.
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Post by plato2012 on Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:20 pm

Yesterday I had the HPC Hydraulic self levelling system fitted to my Stanton.

A.S. Air Suspension near Warrington took two full days to fit everything but they have done a great job, very neat underneath and the pump/oil reservoir tucked tightly into the corner of a bed box. The touch screen control panel offers several options including manual, auto self level, stabilize (where the feet just lower to the ground) and tank emptying (tips vehicle towards the relevant side). The four jacks have swivel feet for uneven ground and auto levelling takes less than 2 minutes.

Some have cited weight as a problem but with a fitted weight of 39kg HPC is not as heavy as others. I have removed from my Stanton, the corner steadies and brace @10.3kg, the MB bottle jack @6.6kg, a pair of Thule ramps @4.6kg and my electric drill @1.9kg. With a total of 23.4kg removed the net additional weight of the system is just 15.6kg.

Not an inexpensive option but great convenience especially as we use our motorhome almost daily when we are away, it is seldom left on site. We are off to Scandinavia in a month's time for 51 days so the self levelling will get a good try out.

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