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Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by William's Pops on Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:32 pm

We intend to have our maiden trip in mid November and we are wondering if the Excelsior has sufficient insulation for winter wild camping or should we head for a hook up? We don't want to use a fortune in gas to keep warm when a CL with hook up would offer us a better deal.

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by fenderbender on Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:02 pm

Hook up for me every time in winter.

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by daisy mae on Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:20 pm

And me, where ever possible.
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by Peter Brown on Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:06 am

Personal circumstances called for a week on a CL in January, freezing all week and working from the van all day. The electricity was pay as you go!!!! after 24hrs it was gas for all but the electricity essentials at about 1/20th of the cost.

To be fair to the owner he had changed to that system after finding his clients running air conditioning 24/24 with van windows open.

Icing on the cake... we both contracted the Norovirus that week.

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by Johno on Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:11 pm

Hi WP

When repairing a leak in the overcab roof of my past 1999 Excelsior (yes monocoques do leak sometimes) I had to remove the roof lining and was unpleasantly surprised at the lack of insulation, it comprised of a few pieces of not very thick rockwool matting haphazardly stuck to the inner glassfibre monocoque with plenty of uninsulated roof on show.

So I think electric hook up will be a worthwhile investment as the temperatures drop.

Cheers John up!
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by William's Pops on Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:27 pm

Thank you all for your comments. Hook up it will be then, if I can find an inclusive price and not PAYG.

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by terrybrinklow on Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:24 pm

Hi WP
       hook up for us anytime .Oh and don`t forget a small [500w] heater such as electric radiator type to leave on all night.
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by William's Pops on Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:14 pm

Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by roli on Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:52 am

A lot of people say the monocoques are cold in winter but we went out all year round when we had the Executive, ok the fire was on more and we would use ehu s' more but it didnt put senior management off and she does feel the cold.
I will admit though we did notice a difference when we changed it for the Windsor which has the styrofoam body which by its make up offers more insulation.
Take the Excelsior out and see what you think.
I have photos of both vans covered in snow!

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by bikeralw on Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:34 am

Am I right in thinking site owners, including CL's, by law can't charge more than they originally pay when reselling electricity? In that case I'm all for them charging PAYG. We use very little electricity in our small van, and it galls when EHU is inclusive and the massive van on the next pitch is paying the same £4 a day or so as us.
If EHU is optional we seldom bother with it when touring.
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by Peter Brown on Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:45 am

On a PAYG you will not just pay for the electricity used but a pro-rate (significant) charge for the cost of installing the infrastructure. On the one I mentioned earlier you pre-paid for a card to put in the meter, the first £20 one I thought would last for the week lasted a day!

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by bikeralw on Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:50 am

Wow that's a bit steep Peter. But at what point is the infrastructure considered paid for and the extra charge removed? Seems like barely legal profiteering to me. I would boycott the site in future.  
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by John Lewis on Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:13 pm

Two points. I added extra insulation to the sides and under the floor of my Executive as it was disgustingly thin at the sides and non-existent underneath.
I only use EHU in extreme conditions as I find my solar panel, inverter and gas fire very adequate.
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by William's Pops on Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:53 pm

Thanks to all for interesting comments.

I've got a local company coming to do a gas check prior to us using the van and once we're confident that will give us a choice. The proprietor is Autosleeper trained, having worked for a main AS dealer for sixteen years, so should be very interesting to chat with.

John, I'd be in very lean to hear more about you increasing the insulation. Is there a PM facility on this forum? Through our many years of motor homing we've often heard that insulation wasn't the strong point of Autosleepers.

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by PLOUGHLIN on Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:06 pm

LHS of any post are two buttons, Profile and PM.

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by William's Pops on Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:17 pm

Thanks for that, I think I must have somehow got set to a kind of mobile display as I am getting just a simple listing of postings in order with no other display at all. I'll look into how I can change the settings.

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Well that didn't take to much doing! I now see the buttons you mentioned, thanks again.


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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by Peter Brown on Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:18 am

When on mobile version click top right hand button and select classic version from menu.

To revert go to very very bottom bar of classic version and there is a link to mobile version at extreme right

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by Jaytee on Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:06 pm

I use gas whenever possible as for me it works out more economical than EHU. Also more KW's of heat when necessary. And yes we do camp all winter up!

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by Pamponi on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:29 am

I was surprised by how little insulation I found behind various panels.
I'm adding more when ever I remove anything. Heat blanket or Airtec double type stuff. Can already feel the difference.
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by busby65 on Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:13 pm

My Excelsiour is a cold van in winter,,insulation must be very poor..only reason i am thinking of changing it...BUSBY65
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by m8form8 on Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:51 pm

Have to say what little insulation I have seen on ours is laughable, electric hook up where we go winter where possible as finding gas abroad is a tricky one. Keep meaning to go over to refillable cylinders but not done so yet. Maybe if i get some time and enough energy will try to add insulation. None behind side panels I notice and flooring. Wish I could find an inspection pit to use as then would insulate under van, easy enough with modern insulation products around. I guess 20 odd years ago little option existed other than rockwall type.  scratch head
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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by meanchris on Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:34 pm

The insulation on our old '95 Exec was almost non existent, sparse towel sized pieces of rockwool which didn't have much effect.

The newer 2005 version that we have does seem to have more, I took out the rear cupboards to fit a reversing camera and there was rockwool behind those, as well as above the roof lining.
This van also feels generally warmer, not admittedly by much but...

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Re: Sufficient insulation in monocoques

Post by busby65 on Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:55 pm

Friends of mine have a 2003 Compass,,,best insulated van i have ever been in,,,shame the rest of the van is not of the same standard. BUSBY65.
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