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Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by Dutto on Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:57 am

Hi there,

Let me start by saying NOTHING allows ANYONE to kill someone!

No-one should think that I have ANY sympathy for ANYONE who kills someone for ANY reason.

However, I do want to try and explain why someone may be upset at a drawing of someone who died about 1,400 years ago ....

.... and it all starts with Moses!

If you remember from your Sunday School, after leaving Egypt Moses went up into the mountains and returned with what we all regard as "The Ten Commandments".

However, he had taken so long about it that the people waiting for him had started worshipping "The Golden Calf" so it should come as no surprise that Number One of the Ten Commandments was ....

 “You shall have no other Gods before me."


The Ten Commandments form the cornerstones of Judaism and have become the tenets by which most of us, Jews, Christians and Muslims try to live our lives.

Many hundreds of years passed after Moses and by the time Jesus arrived Judaism had become terribly ritualistic and demanding; and more importantly commercial.  Jesus was so incensed at the commercialisation of Judaism that he attacked the moneylenders and traders who plied their trade in the temple and started Christianity.

Christianity was well established by the time 600 years had passed and was being practised side-by-side with Judaism when Mohammed was born and wrote the Quran; which is similar to The Bible on that it is the written word which all Muslims follow.

Like Christianity the Muslim religion has many factions that can contradict each others beliefs but, just like the Ten Commandments, there are some inviolable laws that MUST be followed.

By the 7th Century the followers of Christianity had built churches and decorated them in the manner that we recognise today with lots of ornamentation, multiple crucifixes and statues to the Virgin Mary, Joseph, the twelve Apostles etc; much of it in gold and silver!

By the time the Quran was written it could be argued that the richness of the crucifixes, paintings, decorations and statues had almost become "idolatry" and that the religion has regressed back to the days of the Golden Calf; and in view of this, there is little wonder that the Quran dictates that nothing should be decorated with drawings, pictures or cartoons of humans, animals or plants.

The Muslim religion has maintained this rule, regardless of the different factions, for over 1,400 years and has confined the decoration of their mosques, books etc to elaborate and intricate geometrical designs; and they have desisted entirely from portraying their religious leaders in any form whatsoever.

So, in synopsis, I think it is understandable why someone would be offended at a cartoon that shows ANY Muslim leader.

The best analogy I can think of, and I appreciate that it is not terribly elegant, is ....

"Would I be offended if someone drew a cartoon of my neighbour having sex with a donkey?"

The American's have a phrase for it and "Damned straight I would."

As I pointed out at the beginning, NOTHING allows people to go and kill other people but I hope that you can realise how what looks like a simple cartoon to you and I can cause massive offence to others.

Best regards,
drinksallround



Reference:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2032

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21:12-13

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Fisher/Topical/ch01.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran#In_Islamic_art

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Re: Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by repoort on Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:50 pm

...basically, making fun of peoples religion may seem a good idea to make money by selling magazines - but if these religions have no concept of free speech, democracy, or humour, then you shouldn't be surprised if they object strongly to it...especially when they have already given plenty of warning of their displeasure.
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Re: Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by Shuggiegreen on Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:49 pm

Sorry guys one of the ten commandments is thou shall not kill no ifs buts or mibbees . We keep hearing that Islam is peaceful it is time for there elders to get those trashing there religion under control. However, it is unlikely to happen as they want an Islamic state with there own laws and that is the objective of muslims all around the world so unfortunately a resolution to the terror anytime soon is very unlikely.
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Re: Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by daisy mae on Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:44 pm

I do wish folk would stick to their own religion and not force others to their way, this was a Christian country maybe still is for now, not for much longer though, if Islam is a peaceful religion ? surely the peaceful ones cannot sit back and just let the radicals win they need to do something.

Just my opinion not wishing to upset anyone, but I fear for the Grandchildren and future generations, what will it be like for them? I despair at times suppose to have made progress over the centuries and be civilised, doesn`t seem like it. What is wrong with live and let live , we have a lot to learn from animals, yes wild animals will  kill but for a purpose, food, we don`t have to., so pleased I am not younger.I am not just on about our country seems to be widespread.

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Re: Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by groundhog on Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:25 am

Out of order? I am with you 100% daisy mae, I wont comment on right and wrong but if we accepted others may have a different view to ours there would be no need for violence in the World.
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Re: Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by oldfred on Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:05 am

IMHO  You shall not kill and other 'commandments' that start this way are not 'prohibitions' but a promise from God that we will not do these things when we follow Him. 

Unfortunately killing people who don't agree with us has always gone on. It is not confined to one religion or era.
In the late 1600's one group of so called 'protestant Christians' were trying to force their will on another group (not even a protestant/catholic war).

I was never taught about this at school in England and only read about it in Scotland while my wife was tracing her family history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenanter

Estimates vary but up to 18,000 were killed or martyred.


I am sure they like Daisy Mae feared for the Grandchildren and future generations.

Groundhog posted while I was writing but he points the way forward when he states 'if we accepted others may have a different view to ours there would be no need for violence in the World'.
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Re: Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by Jaytee on Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:12 am

Noticed that there are not too many responses to this post, probably because we don't want an AK47 stuck through our letter boxes.confused3 Agree with you all that violence of any kind is totally unacceptable just because someone does not agree with anothers views or comments.

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Re: Recent attacks in Paris.

Post by Peterm on Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:21 pm

The press and the police here got pretty offended when some people burnt poppys at an Armistice rally.
Most of the politicians attending the Paris march have innocent blood on their hands - leaders of Israel, Egypt and Turkey getting an all expenses paid trip to support free speech for Heavens sake!!

Doesn't matter how freedom loving you are the hypocrits will always win.
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