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Post by roger m fox on Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:33 pm

Hi there could my water be frozen as all of a suden ive no water coming out of taps or toilet  but I can here the pump working hard , any sugestions please. ROGER shrugg
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Post by -mojo- on Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:52 pm

roger m fox wrote:any sugestions please.

Can I suggest that you tell us what the temperature is (and has been recently) wherever you happen to be at the moment? We might be able to infer something useful from that information.
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Post by Dutto on Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:14 pm

Hi there,

If it's not frozen then it will be air-locked OR .... scratch head

.... if it has frozen and now thawed out it could be a split pipe or filter OR ....  scratch head

.... if you have drained it down for winter and forgotten something ????? scratch head scratch head

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Post by roger m fox on Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:32 am

Thank you for your answers the temperature has bean down to 0 but not minus I live in cornwall, ive not drained the system down but iam going to now . thank you
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Post by Dutto on Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:00 am

roger m fox wrote:Thank you for your answers the temperature has bean down to 0 but not minus I live in cornwall, ive not drained the system down but iam going to now . thank you
Hi there,

Don't drain it down until you have discovered why you don't have any water because all you will be doing is putting off a problem until next Spring. tap_fingers

Fill it up and bleed the system until you get water flowing normally and THEN ....

.... drain everything down ....

.... blow the pipes free of water ....

.... take her for a spin with everything open.

Hope this helps. allthumbz

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Post by roger m fox on Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:12 pm

Thank you for your quick response I shall do as you say wish me luck and thanks again .ROGER smile!
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Post by Jaytee on Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:19 pm

Daft question but has yours got the auto drain valve thingamajig that may have opened in the cold and still be open?

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Post by roger m fox on Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:48 pm

Thank you but I don't rearly know were the drain plug is? ROGER
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Post by Chinaexplorer on Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:01 pm

Last time this happened to me, the water pipe had become disconnected at the pump / filter. They are a simple push-fit and easy to fix once I realised what had happened.
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Post by groundhog on Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:35 pm

I am with Jaytee, very likely the dump valve has opened and you have pumped all the water out, whatever you do turn the pump off do not let in run dry. You are very close to Marquis sure they will help if you cannot find it. It happened to me before I knew there even was a dump valve.
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Post by Paulmold on Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:45 pm

I don't think Symphony's have dump valves, mine certainly didn't.

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Post by brodco on Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:03 pm

Hi wave
Paulmold wrote:I don't think Symphony's have dump valves, mine certainly didn't.
Agreed.

Don’t know why the water isn’t pumping but as far as I know a 1997 Symphony hasn’t got an automatic dump valve. I think it’s an almost identical system the Duetto!
roger m fox wrote:Thank you but I don't rearly know were the drain plug is? ROGER
If it’s the standard Carver Cascade fitted in 1997 it’s at the bottom left of the cowling on the outside of the van and there is a ¼ turn valve at the top to speed up the drainage. Just in case you’re not aware it’s important to remove it when you drain down. Draining the fresh water tank doesn’t drain the water heater, an expensive mistake if you forget it. shrugg

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Post by boxerman on Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:08 pm

Paulmold wrote:I don't think Symphony's have dump valves, mine certainly didn't.
The new Symphony's might but mine certainly hasn't got one, Perhaps if Roger would tell us the year of his van, we might have a better idea?

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Post by brodco on Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:10 pm

Hi  wave

boxerman wrote:
Paulmold wrote:I don't think Symphony's have dump valves, mine certainly didn't.
The new Symphony's might but mine certainly hasn't got one, Perhaps if Roger would tell us the year of his van, we might have a better idea?

1997 according to his profile up!

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Post by boxerman on Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:24 pm

Thanks Brod up!
I agree that I doubt it having a dump valve. I have, in the past had the pipe 'blow off' the spigot to the carver dumping a tankful of water onto the ground and into the chassis. I've also had something accidentally resting on the toilet flush resulting in the toilet overflowing into the shower tray and from there into the waste tank. Emptying one tank and filling the other  scratch head  

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Post by paul bullock on Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:17 pm

I live about 8 miles from saltash and although it has been fairly mild we did have a minus 3/4 degree heavy frost one day last week! A 1997 M/H would be rare with a dump valve, so lets hope freezing water has "popped" a pipe joint somewhere.Dutto has the right idea better to get it sorted before next season.I would make sure you have water in the system and that it is being pumped,if the problem is still there then look under the van to give you an idea to where to start looking for a leak, water has got to go somewhere!!                     REGARDS  Paul
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Post by mikethebike on Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:42 pm

Could it just be he has used his water up?
There is a gauge for water amount( not precise?)

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Post by roger m fox on Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:07 pm

Hi there its Roger  here. well ive checked all hoses, all ok but noticed that the inline filter to the pump was empty so I  took outlet hose off pump then switched pump on. pump running but no water coming out of pump . could this mean new pump ?
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Post by mikethebike on Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:17 pm

Hi Roger, The weather has not been cold enough in your part of the world to freeze your water system solid..IMHO.
Can you try putting water in and seeing if you have a leak,or the pump is working moving air and water?

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Post by Jaytee on Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:04 pm

Might be an air lock? With tank really full  try again up!

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Post by Dutto on Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:37 pm

roger m fox wrote:Hi there its Roger  here. well ive checked all hoses, all ok but noticed that the inline filter to the pump was empty so I  took outlet hose off pump then switched pump on. pump running but no water coming out of pump . could this mean new pump ?
Almost certainly not!

It usually means that the system isn't primed.

Fill tank - close off all except one cold tap - attach hose to tap - turn on pump - suck on hose - stop sucking when you start choking.

If the water then stops it still doesn't mean a new pump but it may need a new diaphragm at about half the price or less.tap_fingers

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Post by roger m fox on Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:35 pm

ok I will have another go on sat as the weather looks better , I will do as you sugest thank you so much .Roger content
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Post by roger m fox on Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:53 pm

Hi there. Roger here well what can I say I did what you said and now we have water thank you all so very much for all your help . One more Question though .  We  use our  camper nearly every day as its our only transport except of course my little Honda 90 . Do I still have to drain the water system down . allthumbz
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Post by paul bullock on Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:33 pm

Well Roger I would drain down everything personally, the water tank ,boiler,waste tank , and if you have a separate flush tank  that as well! Only if you use your amenities when you use it for frequent trips you might consider leaving some water where appropriate ,but keep a keen eye on weather forecasts! We live just down the road near Tideford and we have the same weather as you and have been caught out with water freezing in pipes ,even though we were  "drained down "I now blow the system through to be on the safe side!             REGARDS   Paull
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Post by roger m fox on Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:32 pm

Thank you I will do as you say and drain everything down .Merry chcristmas . cold
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