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TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by andygump on Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:16 pm

Hi

I wonder if anyone has got a shower system that is supposed to empty itself automatically.     We have just moved to a Bungalow which has a Aquamobility walk in shower for disabled people, which I thought would be fine for my wife, who is disabled, but the shower tray does not empty which is annoying to say the least.

I have spoken to Aquamobility who installed it but they were totally useless.


Perhaps someone my have experienced similar problems.


Any advice most welcome.


Cheers  Andy

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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by Dutto on Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:10 pm

andygump wrote:Hi

I wonder if anyone has got a shower system that is supposed to empty itself automatically.     We have just moved to a Bungalow which has a Aquamobility walk in shower for disabled people, which I thought would be fine for my wife, who is disabled, but the shower tray does not empty which is annoying to say the least.

I have spoken to Aquamobility who installed it but they were totally useless.


Perhaps someone my have experienced similar problems.


Any advice most welcome.


Cheers  Andy
Andy,

If ANY shower tray doesn't empty then it is either not installed properly or not designed properly or both.

Either way, it is "Not Fit For Purpose" on the basis that every shower or bath system should be capable of being drained completely.

I suggest that you check out the following site:

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/nireland/consumer_ni/consumer_common_problems_with_products_e/faulty_goods_e/what_is_meant_by_goods_not_fit_for_purpose.htm

However, in view of the fact that you purchased the shower "in situ" when you purchased the bungalow I'm not sure that you have a case against either the person who fitted the shower or the manufacturer of the shower or the person who sold you the bungalow.

However, the surveyor who surveyed the property on your behalf prior to purchase should have checked that the shower drained in the same way that he should have checked that the wiring was up to scratch.

Never forget the answer to the question "Who should I sue?" which is always "The one with the money." and the surveyor should carry "Professional Liability Insurance".

Hope this helps. allthumbz 

Best regards,
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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by Sue68 on Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:11 pm

Unlikely to be surveyors problem. Ours told us to get someone else to check the drains and wiring.

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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by Dutto on Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:50 am

Sue68 wrote:Unlikely to be surveyors problem. Ours told us to get someone else to check the drains and wiring.
Hi there,

May I refer you to:

http://www.ourproperty.co.uk/guides/surveys_explained.html

Which states under Homebuyers Survey and Valuation (HSV):


……………. The aim of this survey is to provide a snapshot of what the overall condition of the property is, and to identify which areas are in need of further tests or more specific investigation, rather than detailing every aspect of the property.
 
and
Wiring, drainage and gas are not included in the survey, so many people choose to have further reports done on these areas as well. …………


and

  • Looking at the general condition of the property and assessing its major and minor faults.
  • Assessing whether any of the major faults will need repairing, and the cost implications of these.



I contend that under these requirements the surveyor has a contractual duty to identify the fact that a shower is not draining away.  (It's not rocket science.  Just run the shower and wait for two minutes to see what happens to the water)


If, by any chance, a shower failing to drain away due to poor installation or manufacture is a specialist area covered by "drainage" then it should have been identified as a problem and pointed out to the potential purchaser as part of the Survey Report.

From the description given, it appears that a shower that will not drain is a "major fault" that will obviously have "major cost implications" and should therefore have been identified and included in the Survey Report.

Best regards,
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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by mikethebike on Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:41 am

Hi Ian, You are reading too much into these surveys. I have had surveys. If they notice anything you would as well.!! hugegrins 
BS ones are just for value. Homebuyers are not comprehensive.They do not check showers etc.
They look for major cracks in walls etc.
I thought mainly a waste of money.

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ps i had a 10 year warranty with my house. However when i came to claim ,they would only attend to a problem that was over 800 pounds to fix.
I got an estimate at 1,000.pounds.So they sent a surveyor round who said 700 pounds. Case closed.
My original surveyor had not even noticed the damage.!!
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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by mikethebike on Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:44 am

andygump wrote:Hi

I wonder if anyone has got a shower system that is supposed to empty itself automatically.     We have just moved to a Bungalow which has a Aquamobility walk in shower for disabled people, which I thought would be fine for my wife, who is disabled, but the shower tray does not empty which is annoying to say the least.

I have spoken to Aquamobility who installed it but they were totally useless.


Perhaps someone my have experienced similar problems.


Any advice most welcome.


Cheers  Andy


Hi Andy, Get a local builder round.Its maybe just blocked.
regards

Mike




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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by andygump on Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:01 am

Hi Guys

The plot thickens  scratch head  After trying the shower three times in the six days we have been in the house,the
Pump kicked in and emptied the tray  confused3 Twice when we were asleep overnight and once when we were our shopping.    Spooky, but not much help if you having a shower and the tray is filling up fast smile! .

I tend to agree with Mike as regards Surveyors, a good local builder can tell you more about a building than some prat in a Range Rover who counts bedrooms and writes up about a cracked window and a minuscule amount of Radon gas that could be detected if you ask the local Council to do test  smile! 

Anyway back to my problem.  We have the original shower, so can at least keep clean, but it would have been nice and easier for my wife to use the Disability shower.    I expect it cost quite a bit to install.


Anyone know a good Plumber or Lecky  up! 


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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by mikethebike on Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:24 am

Hi Yes thats the question. We want an expert thats honest and local.
Personal recommends is the way to go.

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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by Dutto on Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:15 am

Hi there,

Total confusion as I thought we were talking about an ordinary shower tray that had been badly installed!  (I went to the Aquamobility website and there is no mention of a pump!)

I do have experience with one of these though:

http://www.vetus-shop.com/grey-water-discharge-system-complete-12-volt-p-2367.html

They can block up with hair so that the float switch only works very slowly (or not at all) and the only solution is to get in there and clean it out.

Best regards,
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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by modelman on Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:28 pm

After reading your findings, I feel that there's not too much amiss, after all, it  DID kick-in & it DID empty, so most of the stuff works ok, it just seems that whatever is controlling the pump is a bit 'iffy', however, I have no knowledge of this setup, so can only offer a guess, a float-switch, a pressure switch, spring to mind, I once worked on a tank that had a couple of probes inside & when liquid reached them, a circuit was made & fired up a pump, maybe there's something like that hidden away underneath or behind. 
I would also have thought that something like this setup would have a manual or override switch, any isolating/control switches anywhere?

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Re: TROUBLE WITH SHOWER WASTE

Post by andygump on Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:42 pm

Hi  MM


There is an isolating switch in the cupboard adjacent to the shower and as far as I know there is a Pump and I think you are correct that the water level should activate the  connection in the Pump, but may be sticking as it has not been used for quite some time.

There is a panel which will have to come off to get to the workings of the shower, but as we have just moved into the bungalow I shall have to put it on hold for a few weeks.     I think you are on the right though, we shall see.


Thanks everyone for your inputs.


Andy  up!

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